GDT: Peter Chiarelli Media Availability

[Digger12]

The oilers always have a host of great looking players....as long as they are in junior. Bear is the only guy of recent that looks like he could be a steal. We have gone thorough dozens of good looking juniors that fail at the next level.

'Dozens' might be an exaggeration, but it's a valid point. Marincin, Gernat, Chase, Platzer, Moroz, Martindale, Bunz...the list goes on.

To be fair, it's not just an Oilers thing...lots of teams have similar lists if you take the time to look. It can't be understated how hard a jump it is to make it into becoming a full time NHLer, it's the best league in the world for a reason, and there's only so many jobs to go around.

What the Oilers lack is that one or two guys that surpass expectations and not only make the NHL roster, but become impact players. We've had a few guys that got close (Slepyshev IMO is an example), but for whatever reason just couldn't get over that last hurdle. The argument to be had is what caused someone like Slepy to fail: Was it ultimately his own lack of ability and/or fatal lack of hockey sense? Or was it the team not giving him the proper tools and coach's belief in him to succeed?

 

[Digger12]

When was the last trade the oilers traded there own first rounder in? No not the Reinhart deal because that wasn’t there pick. But sure keep drafting that’s helping this rebuild along!

I’m all for Chia not doing something stupid, but it’s about time we get some quality and attempt to take a run at it, I for one would rather see an impact player next year, rather then another prospect that “might” be able to contribute solidly in 4 years.

Outside of Leon D and Klefbom, the majority of our first rounders have been disappointments thus far. Move it for something proven already

That's all well and good, but keep in mind that "impact" (assuming you trust Chia to even get someone of such quality, given his track record thus far) player will be one more guy that'll need protecting in the Seattle expansion that'll be happening in a couple years, and this time it might cost us someone we actually care about, rather than Griffin freaking Reinhart.

For this draft at least, I'd rather the Oilers try not to outsmart themselves and just take the pick and get on with the rest of their offseason. Every time they try to be the smartest guy in the room, they end up looking like idiots and become fodder for Seravelli's latest "It was another night to forget for the Edmonton Oilers" hatchet job article.

 

[sepHF]

In fairness to Tambellini, he was brought here to basically tank, that was fairly obvious after failing to get players like Hossa and Heatley to come here, that he was given marching orders to load up on high draft picks.

And he did that, not really his fault it was Nail Yakupov and Ryan Nugent Hopkins he got to go with Taylor Hall instead of John Tavares and Connor McDavid.

That's just bad luck, if it had worked out that way, a lot of people would probably be calling him a genius.

and he at least got us an AHL franchise, something the previous group failed to do which resulted in piss poor development of the teams prospects at that time

 

[guymez]

Nothing really new, I just found it amusing because:

2 - Stauffer always comes across so, so stiff and awkward in these 'Panel' videos the Oilers put it. It's like someone completely smashed, trying too hard to act sober.

Great line and oh so accurate.

 

[thadd]

I'm not sure he's lost weight. That goatee and the lighting really plays games with the eyes, I think.
As usual, PC isn't saying anything beyond what the media has already said in terms of what he's up to.

 

[BlackDogg]

Oh great, he expects a 'motivated' Lucic back for next season.

Did he win the Lady Byng? Jk

 

[TheNumber4]

So in summary, this off season Chia has done this:
- 3 Overpays
- Failed to capdump Lucic
- Failed to upgrade defence

Garbage as usual in Edmonton.

 

[Mcwinner]

So in summary, this off season Chia has done this:
- 3 Overpays
- Failed to capdump Lucic
- Failed to upgrade defence

Garbage as usual in Edmonton.

-The overpays are your opinion. Most people who report on hockey for a living would disagree with you.
- it’s June 21
- it’s June 21

 

[Beerfish]

'Dozens' might be an exaggeration, but it's a valid point. Marincin, Gernat, Chase, Platzer, Moroz, Martindale, Bunz...the list goes on.

To be fair, it's not just an Oilers thing...lots of teams have similar lists if you take the time to look. It can't be understated how hard a jump it is to make it into becoming a full time NHLer, it's the best league in the world for a reason, and there's only so many jobs to go around.

What the Oilers lack is that one or two guys that surpass expectations and not only make the NHL roster, but become impact players. We've had a few guys that got close (Slepyshev IMO is an example), but for whatever reason just couldn't get over that last hurdle. The argument to be had is what caused someone like Slepy to fail: Was it ultimately his own lack of ability and/or fatal lack of hockey sense? Or was it the team not giving him the proper tools and coach's belief in him to succeed?

Oh for sure it is not just an oilers thing but every time I see people on this forum doling out credit for some of our younger players it is before they get to the ahl.

Other than a guy like Jujair K would rose up through the AHL ranks our ahl development success stinks. For every 5 guys that get mentioned on here we are lucky if one pans out. I do not see the Calvary coming for this team.

 

[Fourier]

-The overpays are your opinion. Most people who report on hockey for a living would disagree with you.
- it’s June 21
- it’s June 21

Benning right now is the 126th highest paid defenseman in the league. So he is being paid like a low end #4 or top end #5. Caggiula the 237th highest paid forward in the league. So he is being paid like an average third liner. Neither player has established himself at that respective level.

Benning is the team's #6 defenseman. He had no leverage at all. If he was getting $1.4M no one would be arguing that he was under paid.

 

[Mcwinner]

Benning right now is the 126th highest paid defenseman in the league. So he is being paid like a low end #4 or top end #5. Caggiula the 237th highest paid forward in the league. So he is being paid like an average third liner. Neither player has established himself at that respective level.

Benning is the team's #6 defenseman. He had no leverage at all. If he was getting $1.4M no one would be arguing that he was under paid.

Wait till after free agency and all the RFA’s sign. Then use your fancy computing skills and run those numbers again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Wait till after free agency and all the RFA’s sign. Then use your fancy computing skills and run those numbers again.

How about this:

After signing Nurse and Strome we might have 5 million left in cap space to upgrade the roster.

 

[harpoon]

TH was somewhat immature as befits his age.

Its amazing the number of fans who seem surprised that a multi millionaire kid who plays a sport for a living wasn't 'mature' (by their standards, which, well, I won't say anything about those standards) at nineteen, twenty, twenty one.

'Oh he would never have grown up in Edmonton because reasons' is one of the dumbest comments ever and it gets repeated over and over.

 

[McJadeddog]

Benning right now is the 126th highest paid defenseman in the league. So he is being paid like a low end #4 or top end #5. Caggiula the 237th highest paid forward in the league. So he is being paid like an average third liner. Neither player has established himself at that respective level.

Benning is the team's #6 defenseman. He had no leverage at all. If he was getting $1.4M no one would be arguing that he was under paid.

Exactly. Both players are slight overpays, in a situation where neither player had a single iota of bargaining power, and neither were UFA. Idiot-Chia is incapable of making a good signing. Every single time he signs somebody its, at best, a slight over payment... every.... freaking.... time. Sometimes its a massive overpay (see: Drai, Koskinen, Russell). But 3 or 4 overpays of 200-300k are just as bad as 1 massive overpay of 1 million. Idiot-Chia might be the worst contract negotiator in the history of the NHL.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Exactly. Both players are slight overpays, in a situation where neither player had a single iota of bargaining power, and neither were UFA. Idiot-Chia is incapable of making a good signing. Every single time he signs somebody its, at best, a slight over payment... every.... freaking.... time. Sometimes its a massive overpay (see: Drai, Koskinen, Russell). But 3 or 4 overpays of 200-300k are just as bad as 1 massive overpay of 1 million. Idiot-Chia might be the worst contract negotiator in the history of the NHL.

Oilers acquire, sign Nikita Nikitin

 

[McJadeddog]

How about this:

After signing Nurse and Strome we might have 5 million left in cap space to upgrade the roster.

We'll actually have about 4 million to sign 2 end of roster forwards and a 7th dman. Nurse will likely sign around 4-4.5, and Strome around 2.75-3.25. So that means about 1.33 million per player. Yamamoto is likely to be one of those players, at least for a good chunk of the season, and I could see Bear seeing a decent amount of time with the club as well. Yamo could make as much as 1 million with performance bonuses, and Bear makes 720k. So we might actually have 1.9 or so to sign that last forward.

We do not have much cap space at all. We are going to be very, very tight to the cap this year. This is with having 2 rookies (Yamo and Bear) playing major minutes for the team, and another very raw player in Pulj also playing lots of minutes. Not exactly a recipe for success. Lets not even start talking about the glaring holes in the team still as well. (Missing 2 top-6 wingers, and you could really argue 3 wingers are missing, and at least 1 top-4 dman as well). Pathetic.

After signing 97 and 29, we were going to be in cap-hell until about 2020-21. That is the reality, and will be for a couple more years still.

 

[Fourier]

Wait till after free agency and all the RFA’s sign. Then use your fancy computing skills and run those numbers again.

Do you really expect 4o ELC defensemen to sign for $1.9M? There are 73 RFA defensemen 69 of them earn less than $1.9M. The guys on that list with a any shot at getting $2M are Petrovic, Edmundson, Miller, Montour, Hanifin, Nurse, Pulock, Theodore, Morrisey and van Riemsdyk, and possibly Skjei, and Pouliot. There are also 6 guys who currently make more than $2M who will very likely not be in the NHL next year. So at worst Benning will be paid as the 130th or so defenseman in a league with 31 teams.

Caggiula is probably a very modest overpay...$200K. For me Benning is $400-600K higher than what most players at his skill level, age and role make.

 

[Mcwinner]

Do you really expect 4o ELC defensemen to sign for $1.9M? There are 73 RFA defensemen 69 of them earn less than $1.9M. The guys on that list with a any shot at getting $2M are Petrovic, Edmundson, Miller, Montour, Hanifin, Nurse, Pulock, Theodore, Morrisey and van Riemsdyk, and possibly Skjei, and Pouliot. There are also 6 guys who currently make more than $2M who will very likely not be in the NHL next year. So at worst Benning will be paid as the 13oth or so defenseman in a league with 31 teams.

Caggiula is probably a very modest overpay...$200K. For me Benning is $400-600K higher than what most players at his skill level, age and role make.

That’s actually some very impressive work you did there. Haha.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Oilers acquire, sign Nikita Nikitin

The horror

 

[Fourier]

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[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Do you really expect 4o ELC defensemen to sign for $1.9M? There are 73 RFA defensemen 69 of them earn less than $1.9M. The guys on that list with a any shot at getting $2M are Petrovic, Edmundson, Miller, Montour, Hanifin, Nurse, Pulock, Theodore, Morrisey and van Riemsdyk, and possibly Skjei, and Pouliot. There are also 6 guys who currently make more than $2M who will very likely not be in the NHL next year. So at worst Benning will be paid as the 130th or so defenseman in a league with 31 teams.

Caggiula is probably a very modest overpay...$200K. For me Benning is $400-600K higher than what most players at his skill level, age and role make.

And then there's the Gryba buyout, add another $300K, and the Pouliot buyout.... Another $1.3M.... That's over 2 million of wasted cap space with the overpays you mentioned.

Death by a thousand cuts. The Oilers need upgrades in several places and have next to no room to make them. Well freaking done, Chiarelli.

 

[Kagomeboy]

And then there's the Gryba buyout, add another $300K, and the Pouliot buyout.... Another $1.3M.... That's over 2 million of wasted cap space with the overpays you mentioned.

Death by a thousand cuts. The Oilers need upgrades in several places and have next to no room to make them. Well freaking done, Chiarelli.

The death by a thousand cuts meme is getting annoying.quit it.

 

[Fourier]

And then there's the Gryba buyout, add another $300K, and the Pouliot buyout.... Another $1.3M.... That's over 2 million of wasted cap space with the overpays you mentioned.

Death by a thousand cuts. The Oilers need upgrades in several places and have next to no room to make them. Well freaking done, Chiarelli.

I am not a big anti-Chia guy. But when it comes to cap management he really does seem to have difficulties.

 

[Cypress]

So in summary, this off season Chia has done this:
- 3 Overpays
- Failed to capdump Lucic
- Failed to upgrade defence

Garbage as usual in Edmonton.

The offseason has barely even started. Arguably starts tomorrow even.

And let's be honest, who realistically thought Lucic was even moveable before it was reported he was being shopped?

 

[CupofOil]

Benning right now is the 126th highest paid defenseman in the league. So he is being paid like a low end #4 or top end #5. Caggiula the 237th highest paid forward in the league. So he is being paid like an average third liner. Neither player has established himself at that respective level.

Benning is the team's #6 defenseman. He had no leverage at all. If he was getting $1.4M no one would be arguing that he was under paid.

Most contracts were signed under a lower cap so not a fair comparison. You can only compare those contracts to the recent comparables whoever that is or calculate how much cap percentage their contracts take up compared to the rest of the league.