Perry or Schremp

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  1. Oilerfan

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    Who will have the better NHL career? Who will get the most Pts?

    I think Schremp will be better in the long run, let me know. Any thoughts would be great.
     

  2. Corey Perry?



    Corey Perry is a superior player to Rob Schremp IMO. But Schremp has a better shot.





    (Also, Corey Perry comparisons have been beaten to death on these boards and you may get crazies trying to decapitate you for suggesting anyone is better than Perry. Just a heads-up...)
     
  3. thomasincanada

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    My experience here has led me to believe there are more Perry bashers than supporters here. :dunno:

    Schremp right now is more of a specialist - wicked shot, stickhandling and just incredible on the power play but not all that great on ES. Perry is a great playmaker and goal scorer on ES & PP and more balanced right now then Schremp, IMO.

    Right now I'd go with Perry, but it's one of those apples and oranges comparisons and I wouldn't be surprised to have Schremp prove me wrong down the road. Oil fans definately seem more excited about Schremp then Ducks fans were about Perry before he was in the league.
     
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    Schremp has more raw talent than Perry, but the issue has always been can he translate it to the NHL. If he can, I think Schremp will prove to be a massive steal for the Oilers. This is not to put down Perry, but Schremp does have a higher ceiling IMO.
     


  5. I agree with that 100%.

    What I didn't say well is that from my experiences on these boards, many Perry supporters here seem to be diehard, New Hampshire-style "Corey Perry or Die" people, whereas Schremp's reviews seem to be more consistent from member to member.

    It seems people either love Perry or hate him. (Except for me; I find him a good player but not of the top 10 talents in his draft class.)
     
  6. thomasincanada

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    I believe in most years he would be in the top 10 talents.. just not 2003 as it was stacked.
     
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    DISCLAIMER: I am an Oilers fan. Figured I should put that out there :)

    I agree with the apples to oranges comment wholeheartedly.

    As it stands Schremp is a power play specialist, a shoot first player, an offensive dynamo. He has suspect to average defensive abilities (depending on the game and the set of eyes watching him) however by all accounts he has made great strides in that area. And remember the old adage "defense can be taught."

    With Perry he is certainly a more complete player. He is a playmaker, a multi-tool guy (a five tool player to use baseball terminology), but not as explosive or dynamic as Schremp. His game is a measured one, a very smart one, and by all accounts he is a great student. I don't think he has the same upside potential as Schremp, but the flipside of that coin is he doesn't have the same downside potential either.

    I think it is interesting to note that in both cases, the player is exactly what each of their organizations need. The Oilers have a lot of well rounded, good players who aren't elite talents (Smyth, Torres, Dvorak, Stoll, etc.) while lacking the legitimate high end, star potential talents outside of Hemsky. On the flip side, the Ducks have a bigger need for the top six everyman which is what Perry is IMO.

    Were I to look for comparisons (a fruitless but enjoyable task), I would equate Perry to a Jason Allison type player, nothing overwhelming but a consistent point per game guy who makes his teammates better, while Schremp is more of a Martin Havlat, a pure offensive talent with a tendancy for hotheadednes which will no doubt get him in trouble every now and then.

    Not really comparable players, but very complementary IMO.

    My 2 cents...
     
  8. Heavy Fuel

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    Oil fans are starved for a sniper, and Schremp is the closest thing to one on the horizon in a loooong time.
     
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    The Knights were a dominating team last year and Perry was their go to guy...I think Schremp has the higher ceiling, just a question of pure talent. But both will be great in the NHL.
     


  10. You keep stealing my thoughts...Thomas, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!! :D
     
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    An Oiler Fan in Calgary, Eh?

    Since you were upfront enough to acknowledge your pro-Oiler sentiments, let me add (for anyone who doesn't know already) that I'm a Ducks fan. That said, I think your analysis is right on the money. I really like what I've seen of Corey Perry thus far and he does fit the mold of what the Ducks need.

    For a player who has just jumped from Junior hockey to the NHL, I have been impressed by how "strong on the puck" Perry has been. He seems to be very savvy for his age. Doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes. Since he's not a center, I'm not sure about the Jason Allison comparison, but if he turns out to be of the same calibre as Jason Allison, I'm sure most Ducks fans would jump for joy.

    Schremp dropped precipitously in last year's draft crop, presumably because of some "attitude" issues. A lot of teams passed on him before Kevin Lowe stepped up to the podium. If the Oilers read him correctly---and they really aren't major issues---they probably got one helluva bargain.

    Thus far, we're very happy with Perry. For the sake of Oil fans, I hope they can say the same a year or two from now.

    BTW, the Oilers could have had Perry in the deal for Mike Comrie. I admit that I'm biased, but I think the Oilers overplayed their hand.
     
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    I don't think I've ever quite bought into the idea that Schremp fell because of perceived attitude problems. Maybe that played a small part, but I don't think that's really why he fell below where people expected. I simply don't think he's as talented as many posters on this board do. He's very flashy and certainly has a great shot, but I don't consider him even close to the super talent that a lot of people do. He's not very good even strength as has been pointed out, and if you take away his time and space he suddenly doesn't look nearly as skilled. His speed and first step are average at best, although is agility and quickness are pretty good. Ultimately he looks to me to be a mid to high first round talent, but nothing like the top 3 to 5 talent a lot of people make him out to be. Flash doesn't equate to skill, and his flash doesn't get him anywhere in high level competition. In both the Memorial Cup and at the WJs I got the impression that he struggled against elite players in high level competition.

    Perry I like better than Schremp. First and foremost he works much harder. His pure skill and vision seem to be at least as good as Schremp's to me, although he doesn't have the same flash to his game. Substance over style to put it in an exaggerated oversimplified way. His skating is also weak, but he sees the ice so well and makes plays so quickly that he makes up for his lack of speed. He is also vastly superiour in the dirty areas and battles admirably for a not very big skill player. I'm still not totally convinced of his ability to fully transfer to the NHL, where his skill and vision might not be good enough to overcome weak legs and poor skating, but he should at the very least become a mediocre second line centre, and has the potential to be a first line player. As of this moment, I would take Perry, and quite easily.
     
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    I don't think you understand Schremp the player, his work-ethic, or the factors surrounding his play with the U.S. WJC team last year at all. You also seem to be operating on assumption that were made about his game a year ago, assumptions that appear to have little base in reality, especially since he was close to making the Oilers straight of junior this year. I also think you underrate his skill level quite a bit. More than one scout in his draft year felt he was definately top-five in that area, which would seem to indicate he has a bit of substance to go with the flash.
     
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    I probably shouldn't have made the sustance over style comment. I pointed out that it was oversimplified and not totally accurate, but I still shouldn't have made it I guess. Schremp certainly has substance to go with it, that wasn't what I meant. What I was getting at is that while Schremp has plenty of talent, I think a lot of people were fooled into thinking he is some kind of mega talent enigma with a bad attitude because of those highlight reel moves and all that flash. I agree with neither of those things. His "attitude" seems to be some kind of excuse for him falling in the draft when in reality I don't think it was a major issue, and the real issue was that he is only a "good" talent (as opposed to a really great talent) that has some holes in his game, just like Perry was considered.

    I wasn't suggesting Schremp is lazy, only that Perry works harder, which I stand by. I think Perry has a great work ethic and this is part of what has gotten him where he is. I don't think Schremp was close to making the Oilers either. This is the same perception that Bourdon was close to making the Canucks; they both had decent camps, but I don't think either were ever really close to making their respective teams. I don't know what historical assumptions about his game you think I'm making? What I've said is primarily from watching his play at the WJs, Mem Cup and a couple of times on TV in regular season London games. I haven't seen him yet this year, has he drastically changed?
     
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    Greg7, what do you have against Oiler prospects? You are in this thread talking down Schremp and are doing the same about Cogliano and Dubnyk in another thread in the prospect board.

    What's the deal man?
     
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    Huh weird, it didn't even occur to me. Not so much talking them down though, it's just in the context. Dubnyk is a nice prospect, but he isn't a lock to make the WJ team. Same goes for Cogliano. Schremp is a good prospect too, I just like Perry better. It's nothing against the Oil; in fact, they're my second favourite team.
     
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    Uh, with all due respect to your opinions Greg7...Schremp was infact very close to making the Oilers, and many are thinking now that sending him down was a mistake.

    Also, for the record, I like Perry but I have a feeling Schremp will be the more productive/ fun to watch player in the coming years...I also think get the feeling that Perry is, and will continue to be, a little bit injury prone.

    Also, I DO think Cogliano is all but a lock for the WJ team right now, not sure about Dubnyk, but I think Cogs will be a go to guy on that team, IMO.
     
  18. Heavy Fuel

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    The mistake in not taking Perry for Comrie turned out OK in the pick that the Oilers got from Philadelphia...Schremp.

    I would have been happy with Perry, I am happier to have Schremp considering the Oilers needs.
     
  19. Having watched Perry in his first dozen NHL games the one thing that jumps out is he is always around the puck. I also like his willingness to take a hit, especially after hearing him being called soft.
     
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  20. Divine Wind

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    If Cogs & Schremp don't make their respective WJC squads i will be rather shocked actually. Schremp stayed until the end of NHL training camp and missed the begining of the Knight's season, but in his 12 games he has put up 15 goals and 30 assists. Not too bad for just stepping into the lineup and putting up near 4.0 Points per game clip. Cogliano is silencing critics with his play as well. He is having an excellent start as a freshman at Michigan with 7 goals and 8 assists in 9 games.
     
  21. Default101

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    he's not soft... although Mike Richards softened him up in a fight alittle that was awesome, he's cheap with his stick, i'm suprised he hasn't gotten suspended for viscious slash or high stick on someone better, he took a few of those in a game against sarnia 2 years ago, i went to twice, and i saw it alot in the ohl playoffs last year
     
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    Richards softend him up?? :biglaugh:

    I have watched the fight like 30 times now and Perry landed easily the biggest punch in the fight, after that both dealt several little punches which really didn't do any damage.

    The fight was a draw at best.
     
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    Agreed, I thought Perry did very well for himself in that bout.

    Draw or slight edge Perry.
     
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    Richards and Perry fought twice last year. The first one, near the beginning of the year, was all Richards. 9 punches to 0. I think it was Perry's first fight. Perry fought a couple of more times last year and handled himself including a draw against Richards and winning one against O'Leary of Guelph. But all in all, Perry is no fighter.

    And he's no soft. He's like the engergizer bunny or gummby, takes a lickin and keeps on going. Seemed like he would never get injured - and he by far took the most abuse of any player in junior last year. The only thing you can't control is brain injuries - looks like Neilson's cheap shot in the Memorial Cup last year is catching up to him.
     
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    Woywitka from the Comrie deal helped lead to Pronger.
     
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