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Find me a really fast AHL guy who can have the best results with Malkin over a three year period.

I think people vastly underestimate the role that Hagelin's hockey IQ played in this, and how well he understood a role as a 3rd wheel. To use an example - Rust is nearly as fast, and has far better hands, but simply will never be the complimentary player Hagelin is. And neither will most of the other fast AHL guys.
Good point. That's why I'm interested in Johnson. He has some skill and seems to have a good mind for the game. No idea if he pans out though.
 

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When Hagelin was traded to us his previous seasons were 35, 33, 24 (in 48 lockout) and 38. I don’t see in what world Tanev is “likely” a better player than Hagelin. Unless you’re referring to Hagelin last year which many people had a problem with.

Nothing in Tanev’s game screams Hagelin aside from people saying he’s fast and tenacious. Hags was a proven top nine player on a NYR Cup Run team.

Tanev had decent 4th line numbers are a solid Winnipeg squad in 17-18 and then had decent 3rd line numbers on a Winnipeg squad that was a disappointment this year.
I would reserve judgment until Tanev is given the chance of playing with Malkin, like Hagelin did. Kessel was on that line too, of course.

As for the "no similarities" thing...well Tanev has similar ratios of takeaways and giveaways. They're both PK specialists. Difference is that Tanev has had 5 shorties the last 2 seasons, and Hagelin had 1 in 195 games as a Penguin. They both backcheck with the same determination, give their max every shift and have a good soldier attitude. Both have very similar PIM's. They both lack hands and vision in the offensive zone, but Tanev has a much better shot. It's also worth noting that Hagelin's averaged 3 more minutes per game over their careers.

I do agree with you that Hagelin's a lot more established. He's proven he can compliment top players. Tanev's more of a wild card. Let's see what happens.
 

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Find me a really fast AHL guy who can have the best results with Malkin over a three year period.

I think people vastly underestimate the role that Hagelin's hockey IQ played in this, and how well he understood a role as a 3rd wheel. To use an example - Rust is nearly as fast, and has far better hands, but simply will never be the complimentary player Hagelin is. And neither will most of the other fast AHL guys.
I'm pretty sure every single GM, scout, and fan view Rust as better than Hagelin, especially offensively. As a matter of fact, Rust's worst offensive season is better than Hags' best.

I think you are overrating Hags because he ended up playing with Geno for a few months, and was a complete waste there.
 

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To use an example - Rust is nearly as fast, and has far better hands, but simply will never be the complimentary player Hagelin is. And neither will most of the other fast AHL guys.
Would say Rust was extremely complimentary after he broke through in December against Chicago. 17 goals, 11 assists in 43 games to end the season. +14. He was getting it done with both Sid and Geno, at both ends of the ice.

That being said, I still see your point. Hags consistently brought something positive to most games for years, whereas Rust had a tendency to disappear.
 
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Would say Rust was extremely complimentary after he broke through in December against Chicago. 17 goals, 11 assists in 43 games to end the season. +14. He was getting it done with both Sid and Geno, at both ends of the ice.

That being said, I still see your point. Hags consistently brought something positive to most games for years, whereas Rust had a tendency to disappear.

I think @Peat meant that Hagelin helped Malkin. His game did things that actually benefited his linemates even if he wasn't scoring. I don't think Rust does that nearly as well as Hagelin did. Both would only ever be considered complimentary players.
 

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Basically, what I mean is that Hagelin would help Malkin and his line to score more goals and concede less and that Rust wouldn't. Rust would score more points, what with being more skilful, but he did less for the line in general. That imo makes Hagelin a better complimentary piece.
 
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I would reserve judgment until Tanev is given the chance of playing with Malkin, like Hagelin did. Kessel was on that line too, of course.

As for the "no similarities" thing...well Tanev has similar ratios of takeaways and giveaways. They're both PK specialists. Difference is that Tanev has had 5 shorties the last 2 seasons, and Hagelin had 1 in 195 games as a Penguin. They both backcheck with the same determination, give their max every shift and have a good soldier attitude. Both have very similar PIM's. They both lack hands and vision in the offensive zone, but Tanev has a much better shot. It's also worth noting that Hagelin's averaged 3 more minutes per game over their careers.

I do agree with you that Hagelin's a lot more established. He's proven he can compliment top players. Tanev's more of a wild card. Let's see what happens.

So, you want to see Tanev with Malkin?

Also, Hagelin averaged more minutes because he was a top six forward in his career, then dropped to a top nine forward and is now a bottom six guy.

The only similarities I see you saying are arbitrary. He is fast and tries really hard so he’s like Hagelin.

You know who was was really fast and tried Vitale. Would you advocate for Vitale playing with Geno?

Also, if we were going to use Tanev with Geno what exactly was the point of getting Galchenyuk and where is he going?



^ why would anyone ever want that with Malkin?
 

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So, you want to see Tanev with Malkin?

Also, Hagelin averaged more minutes because he was a top six forward in his career, then dropped to a top nine forward and is now a bottom six guy.

The only similarities I see you saying are arbitrary. He is fast and tries really hard so he’s like Hagelin.

You know who was was really fast and tried Vitale. Would you advocate for Vitale playing with Geno?

Also, if we were going to use Tanev with Geno what exactly was the point of getting Galchenyuk and where is he going?

So I want to see Tanev with Geno...not saying it will be the same as Hags or Kunitz but has some similar traits...Chucky has been misused in other positions and should really be a RW...that’s where he best uses his shot...if our newly minted coach is smart, and he isn’t always, he would play X-Geno-Chucky...the LW should be either Tanev or McCann imo...I would absolutely like to see him given a shot there...
 

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So I want to see Tanev with Geno...not saying it will be the same as Hags or Kunitz but has some similar traits...Chucky has been misused in other positions and should really be a RW...that’s where he best uses his shot...if our newly minted coach is smart, and he isn’t always, he would play X-Geno-Chucky...the LW should be either Tanev or McCann imo...I would absolutely like to see him given a shot there...

I don’t see any reason you would play Galchenyuk at a position he’s never played at while his confidence is low.

If anything I’d only play him with Sid and Geno on the LW in the o-zone for the first six months and let him put up 20 goals before trying anything else at all.

And I don’t really see why you would consciously put Tanev there over McCann, Simon or even ZAR.
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I don’t see any reason you would play Galchenyuk at a position he’s never played at while his confidence is low.

If anything I’d only play him with Sid and Geno on the LW in the o-zone for the first six months and let him put up 20 goals before trying anything else at all.

And I don’t really see why you would consciously put Tanev there over McCann, Simon or even ZAR.
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I don’t know if he’s never played RW but his previous coaches should have played him there, suits his skill set...he’d excel there and if the Pens tell him that, he’ll be fine...he should be excited and confident to play with Geno and it’s a contract year for him...that is what preseason and early season is for and I hope Sully explores him over there

I think Tanev has a better ability for what I’ve seen, which isn’t as much as the other guys, of doing what Geno needs on his wing—have a player get on the forecheck, separate the puck from the opposing player and get it to him...I think Tanev can do that well and should be given a shot there...he could be a Hags/Kunitz hybrid over there...neither of those could score a lot but they brought a physical forecheck and good board play...
 

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So, you want to see Tanev with Malkin?

Also, Hagelin averaged more minutes because he was a top six forward in his career, then dropped to a top nine forward and is now a bottom six guy.

The only similarities I see you saying are arbitrary. He is fast and tries really hard so he’s like Hagelin.

You know who was was really fast and tried Vitale. Would you advocate for Vitale playing with Geno?

Also, if we were going to use Tanev with Geno what exactly was the point of getting Galchenyuk and where is he going?



^ why would anyone ever want that with Malkin?

Nope. Never said I did. Just meant that you shouldn't compare their stats until that happens, because we've never seen Tanev play with star players. It's an unknown.

I'm hoping for Malkin to play with Galchenyuk and Kahun on Oct. 3rd. A fresh look with eager teammates is what the doctor ordered for Geno.

There's no need to bring up Vitale. He's considerably worse than both Hags and Tanev. Tanev scored 14 goals on the 3rd line in Winnipeg last year. Vitale scored 11 in his entire career.

I don't want him in the top 6, but would it be that much of a stretch to think he could score 20 with Malkin? Think you're selling him short, comparing him to some of our worst players of recent memory. He will improve our PK too.
 

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Nope. Never said I did. Just meant that you shouldn't compare their stats until that happens, because we've never seen Tanev play with star players. It's an unknown.

I'm hoping for Malkin to play with Galchenyuk and Kahun on Oct. 3rd. A fresh look with eager teammates is what the doctor ordered for Geno.

There's no need to bring up Vitale. He's considerably worse than both Hags and Tanev. Tanev scored 14 goals on the 3rd line in Winnipeg last year. Vitale scored 11 in his entire career.

I don't want him in the top 6, but would it be that much of a stretch to think he could score 20 with Malkin? Think you're selling him short, comparing him to some of our worst players of recent memory. He will improve our PK too.

If Tanev has unlocked talent why did he see no time with Little when Ehlers was injured this year?
 
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Andy99

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If Tanev is this beast waiting to be unlocked why did he see no time with Little when Ehlers was injured this year?

Your using Maurice as a benchmark? Lol...just stop...he’s a hack...Sully occasionally has good insights...only occasionally, I’ll give him that...but he’s wanted to play ZAR next to G and there’s a reason...right instinct, wrong player...a players who’s good on the forecheck, gets the puck and if Tanev can dish it to G and AG, that could be the next incarnation of Kunitz, Neal and G perhaps
 

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Your using Maurice as a benchmark? Lol...just stop...he’s a hack...Sully occasionally has good insights...only occasionally, I’ll give him that...but he’s wanted to play ZAR next to G and there’s a reason...right instinct, wrong player...a players who’s good on the forecheck, gets the puck and if Tanev can dish it to G and AG, that could be the next incarnation of Kunitz, Neal and G perhaps

I’d argue Maurice playing Tanev 14 minutes a night is what had him producing at a worse rate than ZAR versus Tanev being a Kunitz or Hagelin type player.
 

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I’d argue Maurice playing Tanev 14 minutes a night is what had him producing at a worse rate than ZAR versus Tanev being a Kunitz or Hagelin type player.

We’ll see..I’ll be very interested to see where they try Tanev in the lineup...
 

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Not a beast. Just think he's more than a 4th liner offensively and will be one of our best forwards defensively.

You shouldn't compare him to guys like Kuhnhackl, Rowney, Adams and Vitale or w/e. He's got more upside.

So, it’s fair to compare Tanev to Hagelin even though Hags career point rate is above Tanev’s career year last year as much as Rowney’s career year was below it?

Craig Adams had a 10 goal 20+ point season in 67 games at 28 in his third full NHL year at 28. But Tanev’s 29 pt season at 27 is much different?

Kuhnhackl’s rookie year he played at a rate that Tanev scored last year. Tanev’s first NHL season.

This is all ignoring the fact that the NHL last year was one of the highest scoring years we’ve seen in recent memory.
 

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So, it’s fair to compare Tanev to Hagelin even though Hags career point rate is above Tanev’s career year last year as much as Rowney’s career year was below it?

Craig Adams had a 10 goal 20+ point season in 67 games at 28 in his third full NHL year at 28. But Tanev’s 29 pt season at 27 is much different?

Kuhnhackl’s rookie year he played at a rate that Tanev scored last year. Tanev’s first NHL season.

This is all ignoring the fact that the NHL last year was one of the highest scoring years we’ve seen in recent memory.
Are you against the Tanev signing?
 

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