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Not thrilled about the contract, was hoping for about 1mil less, but with the numbers he put up last year he earned it.
Confirmed with Link: Penguins re-sign Justin Schultz (3 years, $16.5M | $5.5M AAV)
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I actually think it's a nice contract.
You have to consider what other defensemen are being paid and the fact that Schultz was arguably our most reliable defenseman last season, it's easy to understand why he's getting paid $5.5M a season.
Perhaps if he signed a four or five year deal it would've been $5M a season, but I think anything under $5M a season is pretty unreasonable and anything over five years was probably pushing it. He's earned himself a fair contract. It's not great for the Penguins or for Schultz, but fair for both sides.
You have to consider what other defensemen are being paid and the fact that Schultz was arguably our most reliable defenseman last season, it's easy to understand why he's getting paid $5.5M a season.
Perhaps if he signed a four or five year deal it would've been $5M a season, but I think anything under $5M a season is pretty unreasonable and anything over five years was probably pushing it. He's earned himself a fair contract. It's not great for the Penguins or for Schultz, but fair for both sides.
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Consider than Dan ****ing Girardi is making 3 mil a year, and Kulikov is making 4.33. Shattenkirk is making 6.65. I thought 5 x 5 would have been fair and made a lot of sense for both sides, but I'm fine with this. Our window is 3-5 years, and we need him to be a part of it. He probably wants at least one more huge contract. It is what it is
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The board consensus was that he'd get $4.5-$5.5 million AAV. Some people were arguing passionately for the low end and others for the high end, but nobody was down at 4 and nobody was up at 6. So we as a group shouldn't be surprised about this.
Would I have preferred it to end up at the low end? Sure. More money to actually do something to upgrade the team. But just looking around the league and seeing how defensemen are getting paid, both this offseason and just in general, it's clear that the a $4.5 million AAV wasn't going to happen.
Would I have preferred it to end up at the low end? Sure. More money to actually do something to upgrade the team. But just looking around the league and seeing how defensemen are getting paid, both this offseason and just in general, it's clear that the a $4.5 million AAV wasn't going to happen.
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I'd also much rather have Schultz than any of the free agent defensemen receiving similar AAV deals.
Vlasic @ 7.00 (8 years!!!)?
Shattenkirk @ 6.65?
Alzner @ 4.60?
Kulikov @ 4.33?
Gross. Puke. Pass.
Fowler's is the only deal that seems reasonable to me.
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4 for Dumo is a pipe dream. I would say 5x5 or 6x4.5 is best case scenario with him. Maatta is getting 4.1...
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I'm not so sure. Dumoulin's 25 and his career high in points is 16. Maatta had 29 as a 19 year old rookie. I'm hoping that puts a hard ceiling on the sort of contract that Dumoulin gets.
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Yeah, I don't get why people are saying it's an overpayment. What else should they do? Pay more for a D-man who might be as good in a best-case scenario, or get a fraction of the production for the price they wanted to pay?
Maatta will score more goals next year than Brian Dumoulin will score in his entire career. Not that scoring is everything when it comes to D-men, but it does make a pretty big difference in salary.
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I checked out the thread on the trade board because I wanted to read the salt from Oilers fans and one of the first replies was from a guy who believes that Schultz should have received $3.5m per year. Hilarious how some people refuse to live in reality.
I'm with you.... I think people are nuts thing he's gonna sign a 4-5 year deal for $3 to 3.5 million
I think he'll be looking for $4+ million
RFA defensive dman simply do not get that money. I think his best hope of expensive comparables would be Brodin and Larsson and they still both have better points production. I strongly doubt he'd get 4 in arbitration.
maybe not.... but I also wouldnt expect him to lock himself into a long term deal at $3 to $3.5 million
if they want to lock him up to 4 or 5 years, like I think they will want to, I think they're going to have to go to at least $4 million
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I completely agree. I understand that offense isn't everything, but he has 2 goals and 33 points in 163 games. That's not going to play in his favour at arbitration.
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I'm ok with it, it's a bit higher than I'd like but I really like the term, it's 3yrs and it doesn't handcuff this team. It's a good window.
Good job JR.
Good job JR.
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So what you're saying is...he left money on the table to come back last year, yes? 3 years at $6 mil > 1 year at $1.4 mil, right?
Seems many people around here had pretty unrealistic expactations. It is a fair contract especially on a relatively short term.
Nobody should forget that Schultz signed a really cheap one year contract last year to prove his worth. That was a pretty big gamble for him and it helped the pens cap situation in a great way. Now he is beeing rewarded.
With the Letang injury history I would rather pay Schultz 500k more to keep him and there is really not much risk on a 3 year deal.
Nobody should forget that Schultz signed a really cheap one year contract last year to prove his worth. That was a pretty big gamble for him and it helped the pens cap situation in a great way. Now he is beeing rewarded.
With the Letang injury history I would rather pay Schultz 500k more to keep him and there is really not much risk on a 3 year deal.
I said "at best"
and sure it's leaving guaranteed money on the table, but it would have been bad business that limited his earnings.... he gambled on himself to make more money
I mean, taking a 1 year/$8 million over a 5 year/$10 million deal would be leaving money on the table based on your logic
Bit more than I'd have liked, but whatever. Hopefully we can get Sheary or Dumo signed for a bit less to balance it out.
Not too worried about the cap, because we're gonna need to move a significant piece to land that 3C we need, so that will offset the price a bit.
Not too worried about the cap, because we're gonna need to move a significant piece to land that 3C we need, so that will offset the price a bit.
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No. Based on YOUR fictitious numbers, he received less last year than any other year under a normal contract whereas your silly example had him making $8 mil a year.
Your attempt at making Schultz out to be some selfish guy for taking an extremely team friendly deal last year followed by a reasonable market value deal now and then totally missing the point of my post (maybe intentionally playing dumb) pretty much just shows you gave your mind made up no matter what.
