Post-Game Talk: Penguins 6, Avalanche 3 - Torch in Limbo

[Turin]

I don't know man, his Shots/60 are at the same levels, his SH% is I think 2.9....there is sometimes that too...He also is not used properly to drive the line's pace by carrying the puck behind the defense and putting pressure on the d-man as the first guy to get there

I don’t think that’s a feature as much as a new bug. Rust might not be doing that because he can’t. He has not been the same player since those injuries last year.

 

[vodeni]

I don’t think that’s a feature as much as a new bug. Rust might not be doing that because he can’t. He has not been the same player since those injuries last year.

It could be, but I still see speed, I still see getting in position to score, and as for @billybud comparing to TK, neh, I don't see it, still some good chances created mostly by himself, thats why I have a faith that he will turn the corner, what I hate to see is how he is used sometimes: I was screaming for him to play on geno's RW, so they started the game last night: first 5 shifts its either Geno or Pearson playing F1 trying to get to the first defensman and Rust is standing in NZ on the wall....that's setting it up for failure...geno flys by, pearson cannot get to the puck before the puck is already out...in second on several occasions they sent Rust first all of a sudden the ice is tilted...

 

[Turin]

It could be, but I still see speed, I still see getting in position to score, and as for @billybud comparing to TK, neh, I don't see it, still some good chances created mostly by himself, thats why I have a faith that he will turn the corner, what I hate to see is how he is used sometimes: I was screaming for him to play on geno's RW, so they started the game last night: first 5 shifts its either Geno or Pearson playing F1 trying to get to the first defensman and Rust is standing in NZ on the wall....that's setting it up for failure...geno flys by, pearson cannot get to the puck before the puck is already out...in second on several occasions they sent Rust first all of a sudden the ice is tilted...

Rust’s utility was that he could play anywhere in the lineup. If he is top six or bust now it’s time to move on. He used to look the same no matter where you put him.

 

[Ryder71]

Tyler Kennedy - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

Kennedy's analytics from roughly the same age paint much the same picture that Rust's do. Corsi/fenwick remained solid, SH% dropped, GF% dropped dramatically. More importantly, he looked visibly worse in the same way that Rust looks.

I know some analytics types like to chalk shooting percentage up to "luck," but that's a gross oversimplification on their part, in my opinion.

This is why advanced stats should be used as a tool and not necessarily the be all. They're useful but they don't tell the whole story and at times can be misleading if taken out of context.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

an interesting tidbit, I gleaned from the AVS post game forum...some of their fans saying that having Girard basically turnaround the season there yes they have a monster line, but their problem was getting hemmed in their own zone, Girard is so good fast skater getting the pack so quickly out of their zone that allow them actually to develop plays.....sounds like something that would help us too, maybe Riikola can develop to give us to legit lines (without Shultz...)

Just to play off of this a little, something I've been noticing that is irritating me a bit is our D getting the puck and constantly backtracking/regrouping. I'm not saying to never do that but I think it is happening too often. It seems like we're giving our opponents time to get setup in the NZ and then we're having even more trouble getting up ice clean. I'd like to see more quick passes, chips, area passes within a few seconds of gaining possession. IMO, even if it just creates a 50/50 puck, it's better than turning it over against a clogged up NZ.

 

[vodeni]

Just to play off of this a little, something I've been noticing that is irritating me a bit is our D getting the puck and constantly backtracking/regrouping. I'm not saying to never do that but I think it is happening too often. It seems like we're giving our opponents time to get setup in the NZ and then we're having even more trouble getting up ice clean. I'd like to see more quick passes, chips, area passes within a few seconds of gaining possession. IMO, even if it just creates a 50/50 puck, it's better than turning it over against a clogged up NZ.

right on, it could be different things, bad changes, lost of confidence, etc...very good point, I remember last year against caps, it was driving me crazy, the Caps never iced or dumped, they always leave one skater forward in the neutral zone to receive the puck, waiting for a change and continue with attack...our guys get to the red line dump it and go for the change, same story this year...the best case scenarion the d-man will start passing to each other, or even worse backing up with the puck allowing the fresh forwards press them on forecheck...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If you want to be a contrarian and pretend the lack of skill isn’t an issue, great. This scenario has played out over and over again in the Crosby and Malkin era and rarely ends well..

Honestly, I'm convinced that's exactly what pixie's entire agenda is. If the majority is arguing one thing, he'll argue the other.

If everyone starts praising the depth of the forwards and starts calling for Sullivan to get a 10 year extension, suddenly pixie will be the one saying they're trash and Sullivan sucks.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Old Kunitz went on many epic goalless droughts because he lost his hands. Say whatever you want, but those are straight up facts.

If you want to be a contrarian and pretend the lack of skill isn’t an issue, great. This scenario has played out over and over again in the Crosby and Malkin era and rarely ends well.

JR said this summer he wants to get back to rolling four skilled and capable scoring lines, this is a far cry from that vision.

Post fancy stats to your hearts content, this model isn’t sustainable for success.

The model isnt the issue the performance is IMO. As long as we can get back to owning possession more often we will be better.

Rust will get his shooting percentage turned around.

Pearson will get more than Hags on the 2nd line

Im thinking Simon will stick on L1 so Hornqvist/ Kessel will shift some goals down to the bottom 6.

ZAR for all his deficiencies appears to have the ability to finish (6 goals in 27 career games...18 goal pace)

Grant for all his deficiencies has shown ability to finish (last season)

So as long as as the lines can create possession (4th line did their job last night, 3rd not so much) the bottoms 6s chances of scoring should go up.

Maybe not to where it needs to be, but should be better than we've gotten to this point.

 

[Ogrezilla]

@KIRK well 2 out of 3 so far ain't bad
this one...

 

[TKalltheTime]

I honestly don't get why they don't sit Rust for a few games. He's earned a healthy scratch.

Call up one of the kids.

Dude, basically everyone except Sid deserves to be a healthy scratch. This team is a total mess. Top to bottom.

 

[HuskerTornado]

It's somewhat inconsequential, but w/e, thought it was bs that NHLNetwork gave Matthews last night's league-wide 1st star, Sid 2nd. Natural hat trick in 5:35 is gd spectacular, more than 2G1A. Not sure why they continue to sweep Sid under the rug for the latest flavors. The NBA doesn't do this to Lebron, who is 2 years older than Sid.

 

[vodeni]

Honestly, I'm convinced that's exactly what pixie's entire agenda is. If the majority is arguing one thing, he'll argue the other.

If everyone starts praising the depth of the forwards and starts calling for Sullivan to get a 10 year extension, suddenly pixie will be the one saying they're trash and Sullivan sucks.

thats easy to check: start praising letang, if he goes contrarian on you the you're right

 

[Turin]

It's somewhat inconsequential, but w/e, thought it was bs that NHLNetwork gave Matthews last night's league-wide 1st star, Sid 2nd. Natural hat trick in 5:35 is gd spectacular, more than 2G1A. Not sure why they continue to sweep Sid under the rug for the latest flavors. The NBA doesn't do this to Lebron, who is 2 years older than Sid.

Probably because the Leafs won and the Pens lost.

 

[Ms Maggie]

It's somewhat inconsequential, but w/e, thought it was bs that NHLNetwork gave Matthews last night's league-wide 1st star, Sid 2nd. Natural hat trick in 5:35 is gd spectacular, more than 2G1A. Not sure why they continue to sweep Sid under the rug for the latest flavors. The NBA doesn't do this to Lebron, who is 2 years older than Sid.

Guessing Matthews having 2 goals and an assist trumps Sid as Matthew's first game after being out for 14 games? Get yr point though

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

Guessing Matthews having 2 goals and an assist trumps Sid as Matthew's first game after being out for 14 games? Get yr point though

Also the leafs won theirs

 

[Ms Maggie]

Also the leafs won theirs

Word

 

[Son Goku]

It's somewhat inconsequential, but w/e, thought it was bs that NHLNetwork gave Matthews last night's league-wide 1st star, Sid 2nd. Natural hat trick in 5:35 is gd spectacular, more than 2G1A. Not sure why they continue to sweep Sid under the rug for the latest flavors. The NBA doesn't do this to Lebron, who is 2 years older than Sid.

Meh i dont mind the NHL advertising the up and coming stars.

 

[HuskerTornado]

Probably because the Leafs won and the Pens lost.

Yeah, but that is a logical fallacy.

Meh i dont mind the NHL advertising the up and coming stars.

Ok, but this isn't a new trend, they've done their best to push Sid back to the pack for years. It's the cumulative effect of this that tends to grind on me. It has seemed to have an effect annually come award season and that will affect his legacy.

If I'm on an island here on this, so be it.

 

[Angrrus]

Seriously, what the hell happened to Rusty boy?

New fat contract happened.

 

[Clare2904]

I've just realised the score is the opposite way around