Post-Game Talk: Penguins 3, Stars 1 - And Then There Was One

[Tom Hanks]

When we play good team defense we won’t give up more than two goals most of the time. We will be hard to beat when that happens and if we can be consistent with it even harder in a 7 game series.

We know we’ll score. Just need to tighten things up. Our biggest threat these playoffs is really ourselves.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

+ Big Rig against his former team and to shut up Dallas fans on the main board

 

[Speaking Moistly]

When we play good team defense we won’t give up more than two goals most of the time. We will be hard to beat when that happens and if we can be consistent with it even harder in a 7 game series.

We know we’ll score. Just need to tighten things up. Our biggest threat these playoffs is really ourselves.

Themselves and health. They definitely have a higher gear than napping Pens, though.

 

[Son Goku]

Jarry's potential dwarfs DeSmith's. Given that there isn't an enormous difference in their performance this year, I send Jarry down so he can start every game and go with DeSmith as the backup.

I'm fine with Desmith as the back up. Hell of a lot better than Niemi. Jarry developing is what's most important. He has NHL experience now, no reason why he shouldn't dominate. We're very lucky. I wasn't so sure about our goaltending at the beginning of the season, especially with Murray constantly being injured. Backup performances I feel rely heavily on the team's performance as a whole.

 

[metalan2]

DeSmith has outplayed Jarry every opportunity he has gotten. Even when DeSmith gets lit up it's never really a "wow he sucks" type of goal. Jarry does that constantly.

I'm in the DeSmith for backup camp. Jarry just looks like he doesn't belong at times.

 

[Gurglesons]

Weird. I think Desmith looks painstakingly average and gets better play because of it where as Jarry seems to get the wacky play in front of him.

I also don’t see Desmith being the dude who comes in and wins a series. Jarry definitely could be.

 

[Brandinho]

Weird. I think Desmith looks painstakingly average and gets better play because of it where as Jarry seems to get the wacky play in front of him.

The people who think Jarry looks appreciably worse than DeSmith when he gets lit up are subconsciously being much harsher on Jarry because he was a hyped prospect and DeSmith was an afterthought. Even in the best of times, I don't see DeSmith as more than a future backup. He's Wade Dubielewicz, second of his name. Jarry can be, and I expect he will be, much more.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Weird. I think Desmith looks painstakingly average and gets better play because of it where as Jarry seems to get the wacky play in front of him.

I also don’t see Desmith being the dude who comes in and wins a series. Jarry definitely could be.

Was certainly true this weekend. If we swapped them the results probably don’t change

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Weird. I think Desmith looks painstakingly average and gets better play because of it where as Jarry seems to get the wacky play in front of him.

They’re comparably not Murray and lack consistency. They can both have really successful outings and they can both be ugly. Jarry has upside and more of a sample size. The team defensive play has been decidedly unfriendly to the goalies for most of the season.

 

[ColePens]

1) Really appreciate the tweets. I don't go on twitter anymore as every time I have an account it finds a way to get hacked and i'm not even using it for more than casual following.

2) I love the guys are talking about the defense. It could be something that makes them a legit contender for a 3rd in a row.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

The people who think Jarry looks appreciably worse than DeSmith when he gets lit up are subconsciously being much harsher on Jarry because he was a hyped prospect and DeSmith was an afterthought. Even in the best of times, I don't see DeSmith as more than a future backup. He's Wade Dubielewicz, second of his name. Jarry can be, and I expect he will be, much more.

That's an odd comment to make since this forum has a clear bias towards younger players.

You are likely right that Jarry will become better, but he still has too many flaws as of this season, and the Penguins aren't going to win anything if either has to play more than a game or two in the postseason.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Weird. I think Desmith looks painstakingly average and gets better play because of it where as Jarry seems to get the wacky play in front of him.

This is what the Fleury defenders would claim year after year.

 

[Brandinho]

That's an odd comment to make since this forum has a clear bias towards younger players.

You are likely right that Jarry will become better, but he still has too many flaws as of this season, and the Penguins aren't going to win anything if either has to play more than a game or two in the postseason.

Nothing is odder to me than saying "the forum feels this way". How many people are here? This isn't a monolith. I'm specifically addressing anybody who thinks that Jarry has looked appreciably worse in his poorer games. Both goalies have had some ugly, ugly games. Jarry has generally had worse play in front of him. The only way I can rationalize such a statement is that there's a subconscious bias that is causing some people to evaluate Jarry more harshly than is deserved. I think that's more reasonable than saying it's just a stupid opinion.

 

[ColePens]

Boy the Jarry/DeSmith argument is difficult. I think DeSmith has outplayed Jarry this year, but I also see waaaaay more talent in Jarry than DeSmith. I just think DeSmith keeps it simple and the team definitely rallies around that. I see Jarry's ability much like MAF. Guy has athleticism and can make some damn good saves. His rebound control is suspect.

But ultimately i feel the team could win a series early on if Murray wasn't ready. It wouldn't be pretty, but I think they could. And the chances would be 50/50. But they still could.

 

[ColePens]

Nothing is odder to me than saying "the forum feels this way". How many people are here? This isn't a monolith. I'm specifically addressing anybody who thinks that Jarry has looked appreciably worse in his poorer games. Both goalies have had some ugly, ugly games. Jarry has generally had worse play in front of him. The only way I can rationalize such a statement is that there's a subconscious bias that is causing some people to evaluate Jarry more harshly than is deserved. I think that's more reasonable than saying it's just a stupid opinion.

Fun fact - i had to look up what monolith meant.

I stand by the argument is too difficult to provide a clear answer to the Jarry/DeSmith question. I just have to go with what i see in potential. I absolutely see Jarry being a starter in the NHL one day. Not for us, but I could see him being a starter on a bottom 16 team. Kid is still young. I think DeSmith is the perfect AHL 1 goalie who can step in and play hot for a short amount of games in the NHL. Nothing more. Nothing less. That's a good spot for him. NHL/AHL pay.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Tough to say what they do if ZAR+Rust come back soon.
Think it heavily depends how Jake-Sid-Sheary are performing but if they're playing like they have the last 2-3 games, i don't think they'll break that up via putting Rust on RW.

I just hope ZAR+Jooris get a jersey over the Kuhnackls/Rowneys.

 

[ColePens]

Tough to say what they do if ZAR+Rust come back soon.
Think it heavily depends how Jake-Sid-Sheary are performing but if they're playing like they have the last 2-3 games, i don't think they'll break that up via putting Rust on RW.

I just hope ZAR+Jooris get a jersey over the Kuhnackls/Rowneys.

Totally agree but Jooris, who looked good IMO, was sitting for Kuhn/Rowney to get shifts with Sid late in the game defensively.

 

[Brandinho]

Fun fact - i had to look up what monolith meant.

I stand by the argument is too difficult to provide a clear answer to the Jarry/DeSmith question. I just have to go with what i see in potential. I absolutely see Jarry being a starter in the NHL one day. Not for us, but I could see him being a starter on a bottom 16 team. Kid is still young. I think DeSmith is the perfect AHL 1 goalie who can step in and play hot for a short amount of games in the NHL. Nothing more. Nothing less. That's a good spot for him. NHL/AHL pay.

My sentiments exactly. DeSmith has value, but more in an organizational sense. He's a useful asset. Jarry can be an NHL starter. That doesn't really matter right now because Jarry is still a few years away from that level of play at least, but the gulf in potential is certainly real. Whether it'll be realized remains to be seen.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Oleksiak:







The last one is somewhat interesting because I think Schultz said similar things about GM and other D have but those two were fresh off other orgs.

Oleksiak's quote almost makes it sound like he didn't have someone in Dallas like that.

Speaks volumes about what a job guys like Martin (and now Gonchar) are doing with these reclamation project defensemen.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Totally agree but Jooris, who looked good IMO, was sitting for Kuhn/Rowney to get shifts with Sid late in the game defensively.

I know + PK'ing.
It's worrisome.
Hope it's sorta a, we'll work him into the PK, etc. once he gets the hang of things better.
Jooris is also an emergency recall so very likely going right back down once a body comes back.
Hopefully they see the things he's doing that is a positive and i'm totally fine with burning a call up, if say Simon comes back and send him to Wilkes, thus turning Jooris into an official recall.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Oleksiak might not rack up huge numbers or be a PP guy, but he's been an awesome addition. Another great diamond in the rough defenseman find for this team.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Nothing is odder to me than saying "the forum feels this way". How many people are here? This isn't a monolith. I'm specifically addressing anybody who thinks that Jarry has looked appreciably worse in his poorer games. Both goalies have had some ugly, ugly games. Jarry has generally had worse play in front of him. The only way I can rationalize such a statement is that there's a subconscious bias that is causing some people to evaluate Jarry more harshly than is deserved. I think that's more reasonable than saying it's just a stupid opinion.

So, you claim "this isn't a monolith" (which is correct) and then state everyone who thinks Jarry has been worse is biased against him.

Have you ever considered your own biases may be coming into play since you think he has gotten less help from his teammates? There hasn't been a noticeable difference to me. And if you take away the two games that Jarry got against Buffalo (worst offensive team in the NHL) where he was hardly threatened due to the play in front of him, he's sitting at .900 exactly. Sorry if I'm not confident in a guy who would be sitting 47th in SV% out of 50 qualified goalies in that scenario.

Additionally, 10 of the 11 games DeSmith has played in are against current playoff teams, when taking into account GP, vs 10 of 25 for Jarry. So unless the Penguins are just for some reason playing way worse against bad teams, your theory of less help for Jarry is on thin ice.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Agree that Jarry has way more potential, but right now DeSmith should be the backup when Murray comes back. Let Jarry lead WBS in the playoffs.

By the way, we usually just focus on what happened at the deadline, but JR made some great trades this year in adding Oleksiak and Sheahan. Who are also both young still and havent reached their full potential(both former first rounders as well). Those are the type of under the radar trades that keeps a team like ours at the top. Makes up for trading so many picks over the years, just keep trading for other teams top picks who couldnt get it going there but have plenty of nhl experience and a change of scenery is all thats needed. Loving the strategy by JR.

 

[RustyRazor]

Does it really matter which is the back-up in the playoffs? Neither is significantly different from the other at this point in their careers. If either plays more than a game or two in the postseason, the chances of winning a series takes the same significant hit.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

As for Brassard, perfect opponent for him coming up in the Rangers. Predicting he gets his 20th on the season( giving us 6 forwards with 20 or more goals) , and his best game so far as a Pen.

12 games left for him to gel before the playoffs. And its been bad timing ever since we got him with Kessel not looking like himself in the very first game Brassard played with us. Not sure whats going on with Phil but id still find other ways to get Brassard more comfortable out there( shifts with Sid for example)