Post-Game Talk: Penguins 2, Coyotes 0 - The Joose Is Strong With This One

ChaosAgent

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Here's reality when it comes to trading Murray:
2. The Penguins are comfortably below the cap for this year and they do not have any big enough long-term needs to warrant trading Murray. You don't trade Murray so you can get a 4th best top-9 winger or a 3rd line center. Their top-4 D is set for the foreseeable future, their top-6 group is set if McCann plays wing and their top-9 is set outside of Malkin's LW if McCann is playing center.

Who is the 4th? Petts?
 
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Pittsburgh1776

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I appreciate what guys like Kessel and Fleury did for this team, but it’ll never go further than that. I will never understand the over-the-top devotion people have to those guys. It’s weird and uncomfortable. Fleury was a head-case who bombed our team numerous times in the playoffs, and Kessel was often an extremely lazy and soft player particularly in the d zone, who clearly didn’t give a rat’s ass about doing what the coach said or keeping himself in great shape. And please don’t give me the whole “he just looks funny, he’s in shape.” Did what he wanted when he wanted. Do I appreciate his scoring in 2016 and 2017? Hell yeah. He also thrives in high pressure situations, which is exactly what our stars needed at that time after all the previous flameouts. Is he a guy that deserves to be an icon in Pittsburgh? Not for me.
 

Flying Dego

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There is a 0% chance that I'm trading Murray because of "contract issues", because there are not going to run into "contract issues" that force them to trade Murray unless JR does something stupid. And if you think that's the "best case" scenario, I guarantee you're going to be one of the people complaining that they traded Murray when Jarry hits his cold streak, which is inevitable for any goalie.

I do hope Murray reads this board bc you would certainly cheer him up. I'll be curious to see the end of the season and how it unfolds. I'm ok with having a different opinion and with JR at the helm it's hard to tell where he may land.

I truly have nothing against Murray. He'll have his moments this year. But I don't love paying a goalie a chunk of salary. It is very hard to compete when too much gets allocated to a shaky position.

If I'm predicting JRs future I'd say MM gets a long 6.5-7M contract regardless. JR loves goalies and I'm sure has a loyalty to him. Not enticing imo.
 

JTG

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I do hope Murray reads this board bc you would certainly cheer him up. I'll be curious to see the end of the season and how it unfolds. I'm ok with having a different opinion and with JR at the helm it's hard to tell where he may land.

I truly have nothing against Murray. He'll have his moments this year. But I don't love paying a goalie a chunk of salary. It is very hard to compete when too much gets allocated to a shaky position.

If I'm predicting JRs future I'd say MM gets a long 6.5-7M contract regardless. JR loves goalies and I'm sure has a loyalty to him. Not enticing imo.

The problem is that there is an expansion draft coming.
 

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Uh yes? Why wouldn't Pettersson be the 4th?

Just wondering. I like Petts but I also wouldn't mind getting another stud Dman there...especially given the propensity of Letang to get injured. Can never have too many good Dmen so you don't have to roll out the Trotmans and Ruhs of the world.

To be clear, I'd still keep Petts unless his contract demands are outrageous.
 

Ugene Magic

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There was definitely some pouting and feeling sorry for himself in there. Zero doubts in my mind.

He was certainly not the first guy ever in that kind of uncomfortable position, but he was the first I had ever seen openly pout like that.

Not the end of the world, but pretty ironic given how he’s known for being Mr Smiles.

I can live with that, and I'm also putting the goalie stuff aside and live in the moment. I want both to succeed (Murray/Jarry) and picking sides is just not going to end well for any of us. This back-N-forth with Murray/Fleury is really dumb and again, picking sides isn't going to end well.

I'm happy they have/had all of them. Just done with the mud slinging it's really getting old.

I will not respond to anything Murray/Fleury related anymore. I will live in the moment and support both Murray and Jarry 'til the end, but reserve the right to b**** in the moment as well.

Murray is Broken thread has been put on ignore.

This isn't Facebook or any of those other places that's pro-?

I think this place is pretty level headed, and I think we all could use a reboot on the matter and focus on these two in place.

Moose is a equally shared term I feel and unifies Murray/Jarry in the moment.


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Andy99

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So the Wings are coming off a 10-game losing streak and are coming off 4 days of rest....I smell a stinker for the Pens coming up unless Murray decides he’s gotta one-up Jarry..
 
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JTG

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So the Wings are coming off a 10-game losing streak and are coming off 4 days of rest....I smell a stinker for the Pens coming up unless Murray decides he’s gotta one-up Jarry..

Sullivan has to play Jarry riding this streak.
 

Empoleon8771

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Just wondering. I like Petts but I also wouldn't mind getting another stud Dman there...especially given the propensity of Letang to get injured. Can never have too many good Dmen so you don't have to roll out the Trotmans and Ruhs of the world.

To be clear, I'd still keep Petts unless his contract demands are outrageous.

Pettersson was so good last year that I honestly don't see a need for another top-4 D. Sure, he hasn't been as good this year, but he hasn't been bad. Especially considering he won't be carrying his pair, since either Marino or Letang will be his partner, I don't see an issue there.

They need to address the defense, but that's a bottom pair issue. Ideally you revamp the entire bottom pair, but you have to at least get a puck moving bottom pair RD to pair with JJ. JJ has been solid this year, but he's still a limited fringe #5/6 D that makes a good chunk of money.
 

Turin

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I'm fine with the goaltending situation. You never know, this team could turn to both of them on their way to another Cup.

I think people forget that Fleury was almost as bad as Murray this year in 2017 until the playoffs.
 
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ChaosAgent

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Pettersson was so good last year that I honestly don't see a need for another top-4 D. Sure, he hasn't been as good this year, but he hasn't been bad. Especially considering he won't be carrying his pair, since either Marino or Letang will be his partner, I don't see an issue there.

They need to address the defense, but that's a bottom pair issue. Ideally you revamp the entire bottom pair, but you have to at least get a puck moving bottom pair RD to pair with JJ. JJ has been solid this year, but he's still a limited fringe #5/6 D that makes a good chunk of money.

I'm still worried about Letang's injuries and struggles in QBing a powerplay. I wonder if there are any PP QB specialists out there who can play on the bottom pair.

For this year I wonder if Bjugs for Mike Green - whose contract is expiring - is a risk worth taking. Or perhaps we give Riikola an extended audition there...he shows potential to actually know what he's doing on the powerplay.
 

ChaosAgent

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I think people forget that Fleury was almost as bad as Murray this year in 2017 until the playoffs.

And some people actually believe he wasn't good in the 2017 playoffs when he was arguably our MVP for stealing the Washington series. For that matter, the CBus series should have been much closer than it was except he completely outplayed Bobs.

I will say one of JR's best moves was his non-move of Fleury at the 2017 deadline. Won us the Cup. That's why I'd lean towards keeping Murray through the end of this year before negotiations start.
 

Malkinstheman

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Pettersson was so good last year that I honestly don't see a need for another top-4 D. Sure, he hasn't been as good this year, but he hasn't been bad. Especially considering he won't be carrying his pair, since either Marino or Letang will be his partner, I don't see an issue there.

They need to address the defense, but that's a bottom pair issue. Ideally you revamp the entire bottom pair, but you have to at least get a puck moving bottom pair RD to pair with JJ. JJ has been solid this year, but he's still a limited fringe #5/6 D that makes a good chunk of money.

Are we sure about that though? It seems like the plan is to run:

Dumo-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
JJ-Marino

Although maybe the plan has changed with Marino continuously getting better.
 

Empoleon8771

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I'm still worried about Letang's injuries and struggles in QBing a powerplay. I wonder if there are any PP QB specialists out there who can play on the bottom pair.

For this year I wonder if Bjugs for Mike Green - whose contract is expiring - is a risk worth taking. Or perhaps we give Riikola an extended audition there...he shows potential to actually know what he's doing on the powerplay.

They have one of those already in Schultz :laugh:

To be honest, I'd entertain the idea of re-signing Schultz if they'd move Johnson out. They'd have to go out and find a Johnson replacement, as in a physical PKing bottom pair D, but I think you can get those for cheaper than $3.25 million a year. I think it's also worth throwing out the idea of keeping Marino-Letang together and re-signing Schultz. If you trade Johnson and can acquire someone like Bortuzzo, I actually like this defense:

Marino-Letang
Dumoulin-Schultz
Pettersson-Bortuzzo

Are we sure about that though? It seems like the plan is to run:

Dumo-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
JJ-Marino

Although maybe the plan has changed with Marino continuously getting better.

I'm referring to after this year, not for this season.
 

spcastlemagic

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I appreciate what guys like Kessel and Fleury did for this team, but it’ll never go further than that. I will never understand the over-the-top devotion people have to those guys. It’s weird and uncomfortable. Fleury was a head-case who bombed our team numerous times in the playoffs, and Kessel was often an extremely lazy and soft player particularly in the d zone, who clearly didn’t give a rat’s ass about doing what the coach said or keeping himself in great shape. And please don’t give me the whole “he just looks funny, he’s in shape.” Did what he wanted when he wanted. Do I appreciate his scoring in 2016 and 2017? Hell yeah. He also thrives in high pressure situations, which is exactly what our stars needed at that time after all the previous flameouts. Is he a guy that deserves to be an icon in Pittsburgh? Not for me.

It’s sports fandom the entire point is to experience over the top emotions. What’s the point in being cold and analytical? We don’t work for the Pens!
 

EightyOne

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Man, our goalies are fugly.

Desmith is a leading Hollywood actor.

Jarry is at least good enough to be on local bus billboards for college classes.

Murray is definitely a rehab commercial extra, though.
 

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