PDSF: (1) Anaheim Ducks vs. (WC2) Winnipeg Jets - Part IV (ANA wins 4-0)

[SoupaTroupa]

I did ask. Thank you for the updates.

No Problem.

 

[Ducksgo*]

He's going to the gritty areas repeatedly even though he runs into players who outweigh him by 40 pounds. He was used in a shutdown role and was only a -1 for the entire series. He repeatedly ran right at Tyler Myers. He was the one distracting the defenseman in the slot to allow Rakell to get loose for the OT winner in game 3. He's been nothing but effort. The next series won't have players who outweigh him and he should be able to get free to use his shot, which is one of the top shots on the team.

He busted his ass in spite of getting physically mauled every night. Sitting him sends a bad message. And I was leading the charge to bench him for the last month, so I'm not homering at all. He's doing all the little things that matter, which was his flaw. That should be rewarded IMO.

Sekac plays the other wing, and hasn't actually been very productive either. That gets lost in all the wow factor of him buzzing all over the ice. If someone is sitting for Sekac in Game 1 it's most likely Etem.

Good thing BB and management disagrees with you. If it was your way Etem would of been shipped off years ago in both rumored Kesler deals. Let's face it Etems on the roster for a reason, he's contributed offensively with a +2 overall in the series while having less TOI compared to the TOI of Palmeiri. And doesn't have a - score after 4 games. Etem won't sit next game that's for sure. That logic is ridiculous you're grasping at straws right now.

 

[bminucci]

Good thing BB and management disagrees with you. If it was your way Etem would of been shipped off years ago in both rumored Kesler deals. Let's face it Etems on the roster for a reason, he's contributed offensively, has less TOI compared to the TOI of palmeiri and doesn't have a - score after 4 games. Etem won't sit next game that's for sure. That logic is ridiculous you're grasping at straws right now.

I feel good about our depth when our biggest problem is how to get guys that haven't played in. I personally would like to see Wiz and Sekac get some TOI so we can see what they are capable of in the playoffs. But I trust in whatever BB decides, so far his instincts have been right this year.

 

[Paul4587]

Good thing BB and management disagrees with you. If it was your way Etem would of been shipped off years ago in both rumored Kesler deals. Let's face it Etems on the roster for a reason, he's contributed offensively with a +2 overall in the series while having less TOI compared to the TOI of Palmeiri. And doesn't have a - score after 4 games. Etem won't sit next game that's for sure. That logic is ridiculous you're grasping at straws right now.

Firstly, if Vancouver wanted Etem instead of Bonino he woudn't be here right now. Murray didn't want to deal Bonino but you have to give to get and he was Vancouver's choice, not Etem.

Secondly +/- is a terrible stat and using it over 4 games is even more ridiculous. Palmieri was working his ass off. If he keeps working the goals will come, he's too talented not to producing when he's giving his all out there. You're using a 4 game sample size to justify Etem playing over Palmieri when Palms has been the better and more productive player for the majority of their NHL careers.

So basically the Jets had injuries just like every other team are going to start announcing once they're out.

Is there something wrong with that?

 

[Stej]

Jets injuries make sense. Those are exactly the guys I thought weren't themselves. Ladd and Buff specifically looked bad considering I thought they were going to be our playoff stars. I even questioned Trouba's drop off for the last game or two.

No excuse though. I'm sure the Ducks are banged up too.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Firstly, if Vancouver wanted Etem instead of Bonino he woudn't be here right now. Murray didn't want to deal Bonino but you have to give to get and he was Vancouver's choice, not Etem.

Secondly +/- is a terrible stat and using it over 4 games is even more ridiculous. Palmieri was working his ass off. If he keeps working the goals will come, he's too talented not to producing when he's giving his all out there. You're using a 4 game sample size to justify Etem playing over Palmieri when Palms has been the better and more productive player for the majority of their NHL careers.



Is there something wrong with that?

Speculation at its best . But the fact I have evidence of not a trade commencing over Etem regarding two big trades regarding Kesler and Wiz over the years speaks for itself. Management isn't getting rid of Etem. He's a game changer, and is learning to get In the crease and get dirty.

Projection : somewhat of a Bobby Ryan we will see. That's all I gotta say about it.

 

[Sojourn]

Speculation at its best . But the fact I have evidence of not a trade commencing over Etem regarding two big trades regarding Kesler and Wiz over the years speaks for itself. Management isn't getting rid of Etem. He's a game changer, and is learning to get In the crease and get dirty.

Projection : somewhat of a Bobby Ryan we will see. That's all I gotta say about it.

Paul is right. If Vancouver wanted Etem, he'd be gone. Bonino was a much better, and more valuable player.

Secondly, Etem is not a game changer. No more so than any other bottom six player, at any rate. If Etem is a game changer, so is every player we have in our bottom six. Your colors are showing. You might want to rein it in.

 

[HanSolo]

Speculation at its best . But the fact I have evidence of not a trade commencing over Etem regarding two big trades regarding Kesler and Wiz over the years speaks for itself. Management isn't getting rid of Etem. He's a game changer, and is learning to get In the crease and get dirty.

Projection : somewhat of a Bobby Ryan we will see. That's all I gotta say about it.

1.) Just because a player has not been traded doesn't mean he won't ever be traded. That's like me saying that Jackman is absolutely untouchable because he could've been involved any of the number of trades we've made by now but we haven't. Or Maroon is untouchable...I could go on and on. That's some of the most flawed reasoning I've read in a long long time.

2.) He is very rarely a game changer compared to the rest of the team. He was 17th on the team in scoring, and let's just assume he played at his whopping 18 point prorated pace, that's still only good for a tie with Nate Thompson at 14th. He had zero game winning goals last season while 18 others had at least one. And in these playoffs, again he doesn't have any GWG. Just the one goal that tied one game up.

I like Etem but he's low on the list of "Game changers" on this team.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Good thing BB and management disagrees with you. If it was your way Etem would of been shipped off years ago in both rumored Kesler deals. Let's face it Etems on the roster for a reason, he's contributed offensively with a +2 overall in the series while having less TOI compared to the TOI of Palmeiri. And doesn't have a - score after 4 games. Etem won't sit next game that's for sure. That logic is ridiculous you're grasping at straws right now.

Etem was the piece I wanted shipped off instead of Bonino. Are you really arguing that Etem Would be a bigger impact player than Bonino?

Etem is on the roster because Thompson and Wagner are injured. Period. Comparing his 4th line +/- over a four game sample to a guy who's been playing against the other team's top line shows a lot less than you think it does.

 

[Getzmonster]

For those who were asking about Jets injuries, here's one:


@DarrinBauming Jacob Trouba says he broke a bone in his hand in Game 2 and could only grip his stick with two fingers. #NHLJets

Needs Surgery.



@ShawnChurchill Andrew Ladd has a sports hernia and will see a specialist. Typically surgery will repair. #NHLJets

Also needs surgery.

Trouba - broken ankles courtesy of Etem.


The injury to Ladd explains why he looked so ineffective. I somewhat expect to get very similar news about Getzlaf, he looks about the same.

I expected to hear something about Pardy as well, he was dishing and taking some serious punishment. He missed game 4, had to be a reason unless it was just his play.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Trouba - broken ankles courtesy of Etem.


The injury to Ladd explains why he looked so ineffective. I somewhat expect to get very similar news about Getzlaf, he looks about the same.

I expected to hear something about Pardy as well, he was dishing and taking some serious punishment. He missed game 4, had to be a reason unless it was just his play.

getting schooled like that you would think so

 

[Ducksgo*]

I have evidence you guys don't. I means facts speaks for itself. Dudes going no where, lets just end the conversation. I mean it's like hitting a dead horse right now. Let's focus on the next series and please be Vancouver.

 

[HanSolo]

getting schooled like that you would think so

Classy.

I have evidence you guys don't. I means facts speaks for itself. Dudes going no where, lets just end the conversation. I mean it's like hitting a dead horse right now. Let's focus on the next series and please be Vancouver.

I don't think you understand the scope of the very straightforward post you quoted...but okay. Also the bold is the only thing you've said in this thread I can agree on, DG, let's move on.

 

[SoupaTroupa]

Trouba - broken ankles courtesy of Etem.


The injury to Ladd explains why he looked so ineffective. I somewhat expect to get very similar news about Getzlaf, he looks about the same.

I expected to hear something about Pardy as well, he was dishing and taking some serious punishment. He missed game 4, had to be a reason unless it was just his play.

Nothing was said specifically about Pardy today, but Maurice did say after game 4 that he (Pardy) really wanted to play, but there was no way that Maurice could put Pardy in to play with a good conscious. So obviously be was hurt by that hit. Probably a concussion (pure speculation).

 

[Duck Off]

I have evidence you guys don't. I means facts speaks for itself. Dudes going no where, lets just end the conversation. I mean it's like hitting a dead horse right now. Let's focus on the next series and please be Vancouver.

yeah dude... I don't think you know what "facts" actually mean. You're using speculation. There's nothing wrong with that by itself, as like it or not, most discussions here only have speculation to support them. However, you saying you're using facts and they're using speculation is complete BS.

 

[Huffer]

Trouba - broken ankles courtesy of Etem.


The injury to Ladd explains why he looked so ineffective. I somewhat expect to get very similar news about Getzlaf, he looks about the same.

I expected to hear something about Pardy as well, he was dishing and taking some serious punishment. He missed game 4, had to be a reason unless it was just his play.

Yeah, Ladd hasn't practiced with the team for probably close to 2 months. Has just been gutting it out for games.

Little missed a long stretch at the end of the season as well and didn't practice a lot.

A big plus for the Ducks being a good team out of the gate and getting their playoff spot locked up would have been the option to rest guys coming down the stretch if they needed to.

Unfortunately for the Jets, they had to go all out until game 81.

Likely doesn't change the result, but it would have been nice to have been a little healthier for sure.

 

[HanSolo]

Yeah, Ladd hasn't practiced with the team for probably close to 2 months. Has just been gutting it out for games.

Little missed a long stretch at the end of the season as well and didn't practice a lot.

A big plus for the Ducks being a good team out of the gate and getting their playoff spot locked up would have been the option to rest guys coming down the stretch if they needed to.

Unfortunately for the Jets, they had to go all out until game 81.

Likely doesn't change the result, but it would have been nice to have been a little healthier for sure.

Not that it matters now but we're all pretty sure that Getzlaf has been playing injured.

 

[evomacky]

Not that it matters now but we're all pretty sure that Getzlaf has been playing injured.

+1

Game 3 wasn't exactly Anaheim's best game tbh. and they still won.

 

[Huffer]

Not that it matters now but we're all pretty sure that Getzlaf has been playing injured.

For sure, I wouldn't doubt that a lot of Ducks are injured.

I think at this stage I would bet most teams have a lot of guys injured.

There are some differing levels of injuries for sure, and it's always tough to get the scoop on all of them as well.

All I was trying to say in my post was that the Ducks earned themselves the ability to rest guys down the stretch if they needed to. I don't know, but was Getzlaf rested down the stretch because he was injured? If so, that was something the Ducks earned.

The Jets didn't earn that right, and had guys like Ladd and a few others playing right to the end when they really shouldn't have been.

 

[HanSolo]

For sure, I wouldn't doubt that a lot of Ducks are injured.

I think at this stage I would bet most teams have a lot of guys injured.

There are some differing levels of injuries for sure, and it's always tough to get the scoop on all of them as well.

All I was trying to say in my post was that the Ducks earned themselves the ability to rest guys down the stretch if they needed to. I don't know, but was Getzlaf rested down the stretch because he was injured? If so, that was something the Ducks earned.

The Jets didn't earn that right, and had guys like Ladd and a few others playing right to the end when they really shouldn't have been.

There's always next year man I just hope if we meet again it's not round 1.

 

[Huffer]

There's always next year man I just hope if we meet again it's not round 1.

For sure, good luck to the Ducks going forward. I think the Ducks have as good as chance as any to win the cup.

And just to tie my previous comments together....Knocking off the Jets in 4 is going to be a nice thing for the Ducks as well. If I was a Ducks fan I would be hoping the Canucks can force game 7. Should be a few more days of rest as well until the next round.

 

[HanSolo]

For sure, good luck to the Ducks going forward. I think the Ducks have as good as chance as any to win the cup.

And just to tie my previous comments together....Knocking off the Jets in 4 is going to be a nice thing for the Ducks as well. If I was a Ducks fan I would be hoping the Canucks can force game 7. Should be a few more days of rest as well until the next round.

That's exactly what I'm hoping.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about round 2, but it's hard not to think that we're getting a pretty favorable opponent one way or the other. Since we won the cup, we've been historically successful against Vancouver and I don't think they match up well against us overall, and Calgary hasn't won in Anaheim I believe in a decade. Again it's the playoffs and anything can happen, but this is much better than last year when Dallas and LA were the last teams I wanted the Ducks to match up against. Not to say I expected Winnipeg to be easy or anything. I do believe that when they're all at their best, WPG>Vancouver and WPG>CGY

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I wonder if Byfuglien will sucker punch his caddy when he shanks a drive.

 

[tntkid]

No.

Because unlike Cory Perry Buff is actually a nice guy off the ice.

I wonder if Byfuglien will sucker punch his caddy when he shanks a drive.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

No.

Because unlike Cory Perry Buff is actually a nice guy off the ice.

Man if you don't go scream into a pillow or something you're going to be carrying this loss a long time.