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Example?Rebuilds done correctly are much faster than people expect and the fans are feeling positive after a season or two.
Example?Rebuilds done correctly are much faster than people expect and the fans are feeling positive after a season or two.
Again, we're barely into the offseason. Keep waiting people, and complain if you want when nothing has happened by October.
"Even though we made the Playoffs, some key players were injured, and had a 100p season; we're just going to blow everything up and start over."
A desperation trade for Panarin, Lee, Patches, EK, or whoever rental is probably the worst thing the Wild could do right now.
Better luck with injuries last year and Fletcher would sill be GM !People forget the bolded part - yes, they bowed out in the 1st round again, but this team never really got it up to full steam last year, yet all that still happened. Better luck with injuries would be a huge plus. 2018-19 is perhaps the last best chance for this group as a whole.
Which is why I agree with the desperation trade comment as well.
Example?
Toronto has been rebuilding since the late 90's.The Toronto Maple Leafs had 84 points at the end of 13-14 and tons of mediocrity prior to that, 68 points in 14-15, 69 in 15-16, 95 in 16-17 and are now Cup frontrunners in 18-19.
They have advantages some other teams don't 1) cash 2) brainpower 3) dedicated fan and corporate support but that's a successful quick rebuild.
The Wild by my estimation are still in the Randy Carlyle part of this process but plenty of season ahead for another kick at the can.
And the Wild have had two rebuilds during that time. Where are all the Cups?And we've been mediocre since 2000
And we've been mediocre since 2000
Toronto has been rebuilding since the late 90's....And the Wild have had two rebuilds during that time. Where are all the Cups?
I must say, this hiring is a bit of a let-down for me. I was really hoping for a whole new direction with someone approaching stuff from a totally different angle. Like Leafs and Yotes have done. Instead we end up with this oldschool bs.
The other thing i don't get is why CL can't see that this team needs a rebuild before we can even discuss being contenders.
The Toronto Maple Leafs had 84 points at the end of 13-14 and tons of mediocrity prior to that, 68 points in 14-15, 69 in 15-16, 95 in 16-17 and are now Cup frontrunners in 18-19.
They have advantages some other teams don't 1) cash 2) brainpower 3) dedicated fan and corporate support but that's a successful quick rebuild.
The Wild by my estimation are still in the Randy Carlyle part of this process but plenty of season ahead for another kick at the can.
And the Wild have had two rebuilds during that time. Where are all the Cups?
Example?
That's nowhere near a rebuild in Boston. Trading 2 guys sounds an awful lot like a "tweak" to me. Winnipeg has been rebuilding since they were in Atlanta.Boston - they ended up out of the playoffs for two years in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016, and people thought they were done. Yes, they still had 90 points, but it went from 117 points to 96 to 93. Their core was getting older, and they started shedding players. Eriksson, Lucic, Hamilton, all gone. Most people thought they were going to go through a rebuild, and they kind of did. But they bounced back this year.
also Winnipeg went through a mini-rebuild as well.
All i'm saying is that at some point a rebuild is the only option. Pittsburgh got where they are with Crosby and Malkin, both draft picks..Chicago, Towes and Kane, both draft picks..Lighting - Stamkos..Edmonton - I'd rather have Mcdavid to build around than what we have now. Washington - Ovechkin was a draft pick.
Our team is in a perpetual win now mode and it's hurting us now and long term. Do any of you really think we have the team to make it to the cup and win it with the team we have now? After the past 5 years with the same core?
Fletcher really hindered us with the win now mentality. You can blame that on Fletcher or Leipold but either way it happened. He gave away 1st rounders like they were candy and got veteran rentals which amounted into nothing.
All I want is us to accept our fate and stop trying to be a team better than what we actually are. Year after year we fail to meet our so called expectations. Start building around the draft and restock our draft pool.
He traded 2 of our first round draft picks away, and only one of those was for a rental.
I know one was for Pomminvile but I thought the other was for Hanzal? Either way his rental trades have turned into no help playoff time or for long term help
Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge GMCF defender, but he did only trade 1 first round pick for a rental (Hanzal). That's not what I would consider "giving them away like candy".
I'll admit it's a nitpick-y thing to comment on, but still.
We can't even win the right way if we rebuilt i'm sure we would somehow get the 11th pick for like four years in a row (i.e six years of no western conference finals)Rebuilds done correctly are much faster than people expect and the fans are feeling positive after a season or two.
All i'm saying is that at some point a rebuild is the only option. Pittsburgh got where they are with Crosby and Malkin, both draft picks..Chicago, Towes and Kane, both draft picks..Lighting - Stamkos..Edmonton - I'd rather have Mcdavid to build around than what we have now. Washington - Ovechkin was a draft pick.
Our team is in a perpetual win now mode and it's hurting us now and long term. Do any of you really think we have the team to make it to the cup and win it with the team we have now? After the past 5 years with the same core?
Fletcher really hindered us with the win now mentality. You can blame that on Fletcher or Leipold but either way it happened. He gave away 1st rounders like they were candy and got veteran rentals which amounted into nothing.
All I want is us to accept our fate and stop trying to be a team better than what we actually are. Year after year we fail to meet our so called expectations. Start building around the draft and restock our draft pool.
Don't forget that the years the Leafs tanked the players available were top notch. Just like with Crosby and Kane they made it no secret why they were doing it that year.The Toronto Maple Leafs had 84 points at the end of 13-14 and tons of mediocrity prior to that, 68 points in 14-15, 69 in 15-16, 95 in 16-17 and are now Cup frontrunners in 18-19.
They have advantages some other teams don't 1) cash 2) brainpower 3) dedicated fan and corporate support but that's a successful quick rebuild.
The Wild by my estimation are still in the Randy Carlyle part of this process but plenty of season ahead for another kick at the can.
Yeah, keeping it between the lines isn't really sufficient, but I do think it's important. There's probably no avoiding the need for luck, whether it's via the lottery or a favorable trade or a sleeper prospect that takes off or just everything clicking at the right time. The point of keeping things stable, in my mind, is to make sure you can leverage those lucky opportunities when they arise.There's obviously a lot more to success than one or two lottery players.
The Oilers thought they solved their problems with Taylor Hall - that was 2010 and already three years out of the playoffs. There was no institutional plan to fail, just a whole lot of problems that they didn't manage to fix.
When you get into a losing streak, losing mentality, it's hard to snap out of it. Not every team has the resources the Leafs have, and a lot of their positioning had to do with that cash.
The instability of bad teams like Ottawa, Buffalo (new owner in 2011), Edmonton (new owner in 2008), Arizona (new owner in 2017), Carolina (2018) doesn't help either.
And yet stability hasn't done much for the Blues, Stars, or Wild.