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o really cant look at +- as a measuring point ok. Then Bobby Orr was one dimensional as well ur sayin??? he's _120 somethin doesnt count cuz u could have put a rock on that Bruin team and it could have been +60??? wow
Well said. In big games I've seen him go down to block shots, play pretty chippy in front of his own net, and stick up for players on his team. Of coarse I've also seen him not take a hit and give up the puck in a 7-3 game but does that really matter. When push came to shove he was a great competitor and did what it took to win.Bring Back Bucky said:An interesting phenomenon with Coffey is that those who never saw him play can just look at his ridiculous offensive output and declare with great certainty that he was terrible in his own end. Well, I saw him and I can tell you, that assumption is incorrect. Would I choose him over Langway with the puck in my end and 10 seconds on the clock?? No, I would not. However, to paint a picture of him as some kind of liability simply because he didn't top out at 28 points a year is pretty silly.
soulok said:by the way Mothra u can have your 20 + defenseman ... Ill get a team full of Orr's and Coffeys and school your anyday :lol
soulok said:o really cant look at +- as a measuring point ok. Then Bobby Orr was one dimensional as well ur sayin??? he's _120 somethin doesnt count cuz u could have put a rock on that Bruin team and it could have been +60??? wow
soulok said:o really cant look at +- as a measuring point ok. Then Bobby Orr was one dimensional as well ur sayin??? he's _120 somethin doesnt count cuz u could have put a rock on that Bruin team and it could have been +60??? wow
God Bless Canada said:they were so strong that you could remove any player from that team, except for Gretzky, and they still win those Cups.
God Bless Canada said:Pittsburgh acquired Rick Tocchet for Coffey. Tocchet scored 30 points in 19 regular season games, and was critical in the Penguins' Cup victory.
God Bless Canada said:Finally, Detroit acquired Shanahan, the final piece of the puzzle in the quest for the Cup. It was Shanahan that put Detroit over the top with his size, strength, grit, leadership and high skill level.
Paul Coffey played the Soviet style of hockey very well and to great success, control the puck and take the attack to opponent.Kestrel said:What's more effective defense? Grinding in the corner, fighting with another player for the puck while 2 more of his teammates skate in to fight it out for the puck, or skating away with the puck to score? Yeah, checking, grinding, positioning are all important aspects of defense, but they aren't the only aspects of defense. Possessing the puck and being on offense means that the other team isn't possessing the puck and being on offense.
David Puddy said:Paul Coffey played the Soviet style of hockey very well and to great success, control the puck and take the attack to opponent.
"Offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only means of defense"
-- George Washington (1799)
soulok said:20 defenseman over Coffey!!!!! that guy must be on crack. I still can't beleive he'd say something so fanboyish. Rod Langway over Paul Coffey guys hahahahahahahahahhahahaha. Dude Paul could probably skate faster then Langway with one leg. And then make a nice long pass up the ice better then Langway blind. Thanks come again. next
Mothra said:off the top of my head and only going on guys I actually saw....
Orr
Park
Salming
Potvin
Robinson
Savard
Howe
Lapointe
Bourque
Chelios
Blake
Lidstrom
Pronger
Leetch
Macinnis
Niedermayer
Stevens
side note.....not sure I take Langway over Coffey, depends on the makeup of the roster....but your total lack of respect and juvenile attacks on a HOF, 2 time Norris Trophy winner speaks volumes.....I am sure you never saw him play, much less half the guys I mentioned. Yes, I think Coffey is the most over-rated player in my lifetime....I still say he is a HOF player (in this thread).....you make it sound like Langway cant play....I guess that what we should expect from someone who clearly is looking at stats and not someone who has watched.
Mothra said:off the top of my head and only going on guys I actually saw....
Orr
Park
Salming
Potvin
Robinson
Savard
Howe
Lapointe
Bourque
Chelios
Blake
Lidstrom
Pronger
Leetch
Macinnis
Niedermayer
Stevens
side note.....not sure I take Langway over Coffey, depends on the makeup of the roster....but your total lack of respect and juvenile attacks on a HOF, 2 time Norris Trophy winner speaks volumes.....I am sure you never saw him play, much less half the guys I mentioned. Yes, I think Coffey is the most over-rated player in my lifetime....I still say he is a HOF player (in this thread).....you make it sound like Langway cant play....I guess that what we should expect from someone who clearly is looking at stats and not someone who has watched.
monkey_00 said:Mothra............
You have Borje Salming at the #3 position?...........interesting.
I would put Red Kelly ahead of him too but thats it.KOVALEV10 said:Salming, Savard, Lapointe, Pronger, Blake, Neithermayer and Leetch were no where near the player Coffee was.Lidstrom, Chelios and Stevens are close but as good as they were defensively they werent as good as Coffee was at his personal strenght offense. Bourque, Robinson, Potvin and Orr you have a point. Oh and Park too you may have a point because that guy was really underrated. You also left out Harvey and Shore. So to arrange your list of who was better then Coffee of the players you listed are.
1- Orr
2- Bourque
3- Potvin
4- Robinson
5- Park
After that he's still the best. If you wanna add Shore and Harvey then he's about the 8th best but still he's top 10 for sure any way you look at it.
Evilo said:Coffey was decisive in the Pens run as well. It seems to be forgotten.
soulok said:Mothra: You are absolutely embarrasing yourself on here trying to justify your lame reasons for disliking Coffey. Stevens?? Mcinnis??? Leetch??? Niedermayer??? Pronger??? **** you even included Blake in the same sentence as Coffey???? dude i think your the one you didnt watch hockey when Coffey was skating circles around the guys you mentioned. why your still on here trying to make a point against a defenseman who even Bobby Orr himself calls the most gifted defenseman since him himself. I mean we would understand if it was just your opinion .. but your actually trying to come up with these facts out of your a**. :lol .