Player Discussion: Patrik Laine

[Adam da bomb]

Little and Ehlers have been by far the worst players on that line.

So all other player criticism is ignored but only counts when it's Laine. Okay I think got it

 

[wabagee]

Maybe because it is a Laine thread? If you honestly think Laine is the only player questioned, you mustn’t read posts here often. Little has been crapped on almost continuously this year. Buff was villainized most of last year, as was Trouba and Ehlers. 2 years ago posters were ignorant towards Lowry, Stuart, Enstrom, Myers, etc, etc.

Who ever shit on Lowry? The rest did have extra bad sprees, and well deserved criticism.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

This is the Laine thread, not the post-game thread for the current game. If you want to complain about players and it has no connection to Laine, then post in the PGT.

 

[Duke749]

Little and Ehlers have been by far the worst players on that line.

Lol Yeh, sure.

 

[wabagee]

What are your thoughts on Laine's lazy turnover that immediately lead to the goal against today?

What are your thoughts on Laine’s great puck work to set up an awesome goal?

 

[wabagee]

Lol Yeh, sure.

Who has been better the last three years then?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Who has been better the last three years then?

He has been great. But can still be criticized when the criticisms have merit. No one is saying overall he hasn't been great for the Jets or a good player.

 

[wabagee]

He has been great. But can still be criticized when the criticisms have merit. No one is saying overall he hasn't been great for the Jets or a good player.

I get that but he looks great this season, it’s just the top six as a whole has to get it going. They are all top players and will get going, I just wish we had a coach that would help. It wouldn’t hurt Laine to play with different players.

 

[rubikscube]

What are your thoughts on Laine’s great puck work to set up an awesome goal?

Yeah, it was nice to see contribution but that wasn't some magical work by Laine. He won a board battle - and that's great! Morrissey's goal was all thanks to Scheifele's vision and Morrissey making an awesome read.

Laine had 0 assists today.

He had a brutal turnover leading to a crucial goal in the 3rd period; why are you trying to deflect from that?

 

[wabagee]

Yeah, it was nice to see contribution but that wasn't some magical work by Laine. He won a board battle - and that's great! Morrissey's goal was all Scheifele

Laine had 0 assists today.

He had a brutal turnover leading to a crucial goal in the 3rd period; why are you trying to deflect from that?

That’s not deflection that’s goal for goal. Wheeler n chef are two goals for one.
EDIT Mostly the other way around.

 

[Duke749]

I get that but he looks great this season, it’s just the top six as a whole has to get it going. They are all top players and will get going, I just wish we had a coach that would help. It wouldn’t hurt Laine to play with different players.

He’s looked great and he’s looked meh. He’s 20 so there’s definitely a ton of room for improvement. Which is scary considering what he did last year. The only reason I’d split that line up right now has more to do with splitting up Wheeler and Scheif which I think has much bigger issues.

 

[wabagee]

He’s looked great and he’s looked meh. He’s 20 so there’s definitely a ton of room for improvement. Which is scary considering what he did last year. The only reason I’d split that line up right now has more to do with splitting up Wheeler and Scheif which I think has much bigger issues.

That’s why I don’t understand it. It’s a perfect time to try it while both lines are underachieving, especially the first line.
Edit, Sorry but some times it’s crucial to talk about the lines!

 

[Duke749]

That’s why I don’t understand it. It’s a perfect time to try it while both lines are underachieving, especially the first line.

With the way Scheif is playing in the NZ and DZ, I can understand the hesitation. At the same time, it could force him to commit to actually playing defense.

 

[wabagee]

With the way Scheif is playing in the NZ and DZ, I can understand the hesitation. At the same time, it could force him to commit to actually playing defense.

Wheeler could play center with Ehlers and Laine or right wing for Little and Ehlers. I’d just like to see the coach trying anything when the team isn’t playing well.

 

[Tommigun]

Yeah, it was nice to see contribution but that wasn't some magical work by Laine. He won a board battle - and that's great! Morrissey's goal was all thanks to Scheifele's vision and Morrissey making an awesome read.

Laine had 0 assists today.

He had a brutal turnover leading to a crucial goal in the 3rd period; why are you trying to deflect from that?

That was a pass that got picked off after the blue line. Those happen tens if not hundred times per game. Copp had one after it, on the wrong side of the blue line, but it didn’t lead to a goal. The first line also has those but Morrissey is there to clean them up, Myers and Morrow not so much.

It wasn’t a brilliant play but let’s not make it into something it was not. You could watch the highlights for the Predators game where the first line was on ice for I think all penalties and goals against. If you start to look at every single intercepted pass etc then the discussion will be like the one going on right now. It was a routine pass not in a danger area that got picked off, not great but boy are you blowing it out of proprtion. Are you guys this diligent with anyone else or why do you come here to gloat? It’s almost as if you want to run the kid out of town. I really don’t know what you are trying to accomplish.

 

[sakux]

Do you guys think Laine will keep on averaging 15 minutes/game next year with a caphit around 10 million?

 

[Howard Chuck]

Do you guys think Laine will keep on averaging 15 minutes/game next year with a caphit around 10 million?

This thread is becoming ridiculous, but imo if he keeps getting 15 minutes he’ll bridge out off here. I wouldn’t blame him.

I will also add that he’s been playing very well so far this year. At least as good as any other top six player on the jets.

 

[JetsFan815]

That was a pass that got picked off after the blue line. Those happen tens if not hundred times per game. Copp had one after it, on the wrong side of the blue line, but it didn’t lead to a goal. The first line also has those but Morrissey is there to clean them up, Myers and Morrow not so much.

It wasn’t a brilliant play but let’s not make it into something it was not. You could watch the highlights for the Predators game where the first line was on ice for I think all penalties and goals against. If you start to look at every single intercepted pass etc then the discussion will be like the one going on right now. It was a routine pass not in a danger area that got picked off, not great but boy are you blowing it out of proprtion. Are you guys this diligent with anyone else or why do you come here to gloat? It’s almost as if you want to run the kid out of town. I really don’t know what you are trying to accomplish.

Yeah that goal was not on Laine, it was a turnover but not in a dangerous situation, and did not result in an outnumbered attack as there were 3 men back. The Jets should have been able to defend that situation. Morrow backed off way to much and left his man with way too much time and space to get that shot off.

 

[haulinbass]

This thread is becoming ridiculous, but imo if he keeps getting 15 minutes he’ll bridge out off here. I wouldn’t blame him.

I will also add that he’s been playing very well so far this year. At least as good as any other top six player on the jets.

I can not even wrap my head around how people who claim to watch these games somehow do not notice the multiple completely avoidable turnovers Laine makes every game. 5v5 Laine has been horrible since he entered the league. The guy can't make a play out of his own end to save his life. He needs a lot of time and space, hence why he performs exceptionally on the PP and not so much even strength.

Look, Laine has tons of talent I'm not trying to claim that he doesn't. When its all said and done he scores a lot of goals. But that doesn't mean he gets a free pass on everything else, he has way to much talent to just be a player who can shoot the puck. There has been a complete lack of progression into his 3rd season.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I can not even wrap my head around how people who claim to watch these games somehow do not notice the multiple completely avoidable turnovers Laine makes every game. 5v5 Laine has been horrible since he entered the league. The guy can't make a play out of his own end to save his life. He needs a lot of time and space, hence why he performs exceptionally on the PP and not so much even strength.

Look, Laine has tons of talent I'm not trying to claim that he doesn't. When its all said and done he scores a lot of goals. But that doesn't mean he gets a free pass on everything else, he has way to much talent to just be a player who can shoot the puck. There has been a complete lack of progression into his 3rd season.

We obviously see different things so I’ll just have to agree to disagree. Wheeler and Scheifele have more avoidable turnovers every game. It’s just become an easy thing to post about Laines turnovers. He is far better this year and to date far better than anyone in the first line regarding turnovers or cheating for offense imo.

 

[libertarian]

Wheeler could play center with Ehlers and Laine or right wing for Little and Ehlers. I’d just like to see the coach trying anything when the team isn’t playing well.

Agree the team is not playing well and the top six look terrible but they are 5/2/1 at the moment so why make a change until it is absolutely necessary. Laine is in his third year and we all know he is one of the best goal scorers on the planet. What he need to do is take his line under his belt and make them better. If he is going to be this great player that many think he will he has to take charge. I believe this is what the Jets management want. Putting Laine with Scheifele and if he his more productive playing with him will just mean he still dependant on other player to produce. The goal is to make him into a player that can score no matter who he plays with. Laine does that then he will become one of the NHL's greatest player. Also when he proves this is the time to play him with Scheifele which will make both player even better.

The Jets are doing everything they can to help Laine be the best player on the team and maybe the league by keeping him away from Scheifele and Wheeler so he can grow his game and be the best possible player he can be. If Laine ever figures out to win board battles, make quick good decisions when he is being pressured on the puck and create his own offence he will become one of the leagues best no matter who he plays with. This is what I want for him. He has the talent but he has so far not been able to put it all together yet.

 

[libertarian]

We obviously see different things so I’ll just have to agree to disagree. Wheeler and Scheifele have more avoidable turnovers every game. It’s just become an easy thing to post about Laines turnovers. He is far better this year and to date far better than anyone in the first line regarding turnovers or cheating for offense imo.

We are not watching the same games. While I agree that Scheifele and Wheeler have not been good in their own end this season so far they are much better defensively then Laine has ever been. There is a reason that Laine does not play the PK and does not play the final minutes of a game when the Jets are leading by one goal while Scheifele and Wheeler do. He is to much of a liability to play in crucial situations. The book on Laine is out in the NHL, challenge him quickly when he has the puck and he will turn it over almost every time. When he is pressured by the opposition he panics and loses the puck. Until he can over come this Laine will become just a PP specialist and nothing more. I'm still betting he can overcome this and become one of the NHL's great players. So far he has not.

 

[The Russian Rocket]

Too much Fortnite after all? 0+0 and -2 is not that impressive. What a lazy game from him against Arizona. If anything, I think he's becoming cocky and that will cost him in a team sport. It's not enough just to talk that the team comes first. He needs to walk the walk.

Btw, the correct translations of what he said in the Finnish article:

- "It's always nice to play, but it can sometimes be hard to get excited about a Tuesday night regular season game after a post-season like last spring was. After all, the environment is so different in the playoffs. You don't need to perform any self-motivation before a (playoff) game."

- "The players in the pre-season are a different breed. They score a lot during pre-season, but once the regular season begins, nothing happens. I personally am not a pre-season player. We still have 75 games left, so there is no reason to get stressed about scoring goals".

- "My legs are moving at a completely different level right now and it is a positive thing. At least that aspect is in order. Last fall I couldn't move at all, but at least now it is not about that. Now it's all in the head, if the pucks don't go in. Luckily we have a lot of games left."

- "Perhaps it really is so, that I need to get irritated every now and then. When you get irritated, you start to play extra hard in every situation. I should get someone to irritate me before every game (smiles)".

- "I am starting to get irritated, so something will happen soon."

(about playing with Little after Stastny, and finding no chemistry with Little):
- "It's been quite tough. We have at least managed to create some chances in the last couple of games. It was hard in the beginning, but we have also had some good aspects lately."

(about the differences in playing with Little and Stastny):
- "There shouldn't basically be that big of a difference. You always play hockey the same way. During a game, you don't really see the things someone does differently. It's hard to answer this question."

Oh really, correct translation? You just added the things I left out and basically wrote almost exact the same things

 

[The Russian Rocket]

Has the coach or anyone else actually said the reason why Laine playes on the 2nd line is to develope him into this super player who can score just by himself? NO they haven't, this is just another "opinion" not a fact. The reason might just as well be that Maurice has his head so far up in Wheelers ass that he won't demote him from the 1st line no matter what.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Laine isn't doing a whole lot to demand 10m per so let's hope Chevy extends him early and nobody has a chance to offer sheet him.

Don't count on Laine extending until he gets top line treatment for an extended period of time.