Patrik Laine - Top-tier legend in the making?

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  1. The Winter Soldier Registered User

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    The Jets are a strange team this year. On paper they seem to be stacked. But the lines seem not working. What do you think if a team offer sheets Laine Kelsier. Imagine Laine on Carolina playing with Aho or on Long Island playing with Barzal?
     
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    I'm not sure if it's ever happened before, offer sheeting players coming out of the ELC but when you got a player of Laine's caliper I wouldn't count anything out. At the moment I'm sure he's content with getting the chance to play in the top line but I'm sure he knows he could be demoted anytime and I really doubt the long-term misuse is forgotten over a day, week or even months. Let alone being aware that all of this is practically just a side-effect from an organization being worried about the cap hit, all the while having his hands practically tied behind the back.

    Carolina and Aho seem like a wet dream but who wouldn't drool about the idea of Barzal - Laine tandem either. Still, lets first have a look what our young man can do in the playoffs and afterwards see what's the actual outcome when the Jets are trying to squeeze $$ from him. At that point I'm sure they only hope that bygones are bygones, ha.
     
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    Laine has been such a force in the playoffs, much much better than his stats would suggest (3+1 in 5 games). Now with that said, the best part of it all is that he's accomplished this despite of playing in the worst possibly combination for him, meaning ELL.

    Somehow, despite of this unit having absolutely horrendous track-record, they still seem to find away to each other - sadly. Which alone speaks volumes about the ridiculous asset management from the Jets staff, mainly Maurice. Ehlers disappeared entirely last year in the playoffs and he's been one of the worst Jets wingers in this year's playoffs as well so nothing new there. Little is Little, a good 3rd line center. Meanwhile Laine and Connor have shown incredible chemistry along the year, but because Scheifele and Wheelers cannot function with Ehlers, that means he falls down for Laine to carry. Hayes - eventhough one could argue with a good conscience that he hasn't been all that great since arriving to Jets - just had a fantastic game against the Blues and is much better player than the early declined Little.

    Laine could be playing with line mates such as Hayes, Connor, Perreault or even Roslovic. The Jets have a deep offensive pool. But no, he absolutely has to play with the dysfunctional mess known as the ELL. I cannot but help to wonder how it is even possible (when the team is fighting in the playoffs), let alone be baffled about Maurice's train of thought, or rather the lack of it. He seems like a man who doesn't accept the reality of something just not working even if he had a full season worth of experience watching the mess first hand and all the statistical data right under his nose. To waste away his best goal scorer day after day after day, of which does nothing but decrease the team's chances of running deep into the playoffs (let alone be bad for his development), just pushes the standards of incompetence to another level.

    Anyway, this young man will be taking the first ship out of Winnipeg that becomes available. He'll be RFA after this season and probably already contemplating about the possible avenues while his agent is looking for teams' to sign him (with the cost of course) unless Jets come around and agree to trade him. Laine's inner circle wasn't happy about the way he had been handled, while this was some half a year ago, so I'm certain they are even less now. There's absolutely no way he will look up for yet another year of playing with inferior line mates, low and inconsistent ice time. Normally the first line plays 20 minutes a night no matter what, while he just might get 17+ if he happens to be absolutely terrific. If a trade or move doesn't work and he's stuck with the Jets, he'll sign a bridge deal and take the Trouba route out. Really saddens to see how he's been treated and misutilized.

    The Jets have one game left to fix their line up, starting by dropping Little and Ehlers (if he's not injured already), then replace these guys with maybe Hayes and Perreault, that is if Connor isn't available. Otherwise we might be looking at Laine's last game in the Winnipeg.
     
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    Linked here from a current thread.

    Curious to here the take on Laine from some of his biggest fans after his strange season last year.
     
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    Excellent inquiry, I would be disappointed in anything less then 80g/150pt season, Rocket, Hart Memorial, Ted Lindsay. Hes still so raw.
     
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    There are many posters in this thread that have said laine is the unquestioned best player from the 2016 draft. If that’s the case, the expectation should be (at minimum) to lead all 2016 draftees in basically all offensive categories, while also being a 2-way force (and maybe named as part of the jets leadership group)

    Based on many responses in this very thread, this feat should be very attainable, and only moderately difficult for a 65-80 goal scorer
     
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    The most recent player to have managed that would be Sidney Crosby, not exactly an annual feat.
     
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    Perhaps you mis-read.

    I didn’t say he had to lead the league in those categories. All he has to do to prove he’s the best player from his own draft class, like many in this very thread have suggested he is.

    That means outscoring all 2016 nhl draftees while being a defensive force (and showing his maturity and being known as a leader on his team)

    Sidney Crosby was certainly NOT the last player to simply outshine his own personal draft class. Players do that all the time. It’s time for laine to step up and do the same (if he is to be know as a lengend, like this thread is suggesting). Time will tell if he can accomplish this rather small feat onmerely being the top player drafted in 2016. So far, NOT so good
     
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    Obviously many posters on here that don't have a clue what they're talking about.
     
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    Nope.

    False. Since Sidney Crosby there has not been another player that has led his draft class in goals, assists, etc. while being a defensive force and a leader.

    Even Crosby was not quite the best defensive forward of his class with Kopitar drafted after him.
     
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    Clearly you don’t understand. You don’t need to win the selke to be good defensively. Crosby is very good defensively, even if he isn’t the greatest. Laine needs to be good defensively, while also being the best offensive producer of all 2016 nhl drafted players. That should be expected, based on many of the posts in this thread claiming he is legendary, and easily the best player of his draft class.

    Your expectations of laine are obviously very low if you don’t agree with the premise of this very thread you are participating in. Many of the Finnish Five and The WinterSoldier have been quite vocal regarding laine and his superior ability compared to the Tkachuk’s and Matthews’ of the aforementioned 2016 draft. If you don’t believe laine is a legendary hockey player, why not argue against the posters claiming he is, as opposed to those that agree with you that laine is a very flawed player that doesn’t compare to other players in his age group
     
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    I absolutely do understand, and like I said, there has been no one since Crosby that leads his draft class in "every offensive category" while being "a force defensively" and "a leader."

    Offensively you have a couple of guys, namely Tavares, Seguin, and McDavid, but none of them are resembling anything like a defensive force.
     
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    There have been some usage and chemistry issues with the Jets regarding Laine (and Laine for example scored 40 goals (44 actually) in less time than anyone since ice-time has been recorded. Nowadays everyone and their mama agree that Laine does not have good chemistry with his most common center that he has been playing with for 3 years.

    He will still be 21 after the last regular season game of next season, so I don't get why so many people are in a hurry to judge. Just wait. He will enter his prime in 3 years (maybe later because of the big body), and right now he is a historic teenage goal-scorer.

    Why such a rush?
     
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    In the post above, I merely stated he needed to lead the 2016 nhl draft class in offensive production. I didn’t say “every single offensive category”, and you seem to be hung up on the word “force”. Simply replace the word force with good. Laine needs to be the best offensive player of his draft class, while merely being good defensively in order to have the “best player from his draft class” tag that so many Finnish posters are already proclaiming laine to have.

    As you have agreed, nobody with any sort of objective view of laine would currently claim he is anything short of a disaster away from the puck. Incredible shot, but lacking in all other facets of the game. With that, I agree with you

    Like I said, for a Guy people are predicting 70+ goal seasons and 140+ points per seasons from, it really shouldn’t be an issue to be the top offensive producer from a single draft class, while being good defensively, and have leadership qualities (obviously the rumblings about laine not respecting the jets leadership group are not good)

    But, like you have said, you have a far less optimistic expectation for “legendary” Laine than the Finnish Five plus The WinterSoldier have
     
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    Your current version of the post says:

    And like I pointed out, the last player to achieve that (of his own draft class) was Sidney Crosby. It's such a rare achievement that only a couple of players in league history have managed it, and that doesn't include Wayne Gretzky. If you want to lower the bar to leading the draft class in goals or points and not being rubbish defensively then that's more fair and achievable surely. Frankly it's where Laine should be heading to absolutely and if he doesn't of course one can't be fully happy with it.

    Myself I see Laine as more of a Brett Hull type in terms of upside, less multidimensional surely, but that's not automatically a bad thing if his dimensions of excellence are to be among the very best all time. Then again Hull was drafted together with Mario Lemieux, so what could he do. Some might point out that even Mario had a reputation of being lazy defensively and the habit of chain smoking might not compare well even to Fortnite.

    I guess the discussion then would be whether Tavares and McDavid are "good" defensively? It would feel a bit generous even in their case, and Seguin for sure isn't. I can foresee Laine being the best goal scorer of his draft class, not all too hazardous defensively, and eventually wearing an A somewhere. Is that going to count as a success or a failure? I would be content with it.
     
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    If they're gonna plant Laine next to Little again I'm seriously considering skipping watching Jets games.

    I am expecting bounce back year from him, 40+30
     
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