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Bob McKenzie was speculating that Laine could get a contract for $12M/year.

Honestly not worth it to me. It seems silly to destroy your cap situation unless this is a player that you can play heavily in all kinds of game situations. Laine isn’t even close to being that ype of player.

I hope he’s completely misjudging the compensation required. I’d rather keep players like Kyle Connor than go crazy on a particular player.

I don’t need a megastar to cheer for. I much prefer having favourable contract players to enhance team competitiveness.

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if he hits 35+ goals this year i think he gets offerd an 8x8 if he doesnt sign until he has a year left he might get 12 a year if he hits 40 the next 2 years.. and if thats the case we have to decide between him and some pretty good players.. better off over paying him while hes still developing instead of waiting until hes in his prime
 

KingBogo

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Bob McKenzie was speculating that Laine could get a contract for $12M/year.

Honestly not worth it to me. It seems silly to destroy your cap situation unless this is a player that you can play heavily in all kinds of game situations. Laine isn’t even close to being that ype of player.

I hope he’s completely misjudging the compensation required. I’d rather keep players like Kyle Connor than go crazy on a particular player.

I don’t need a megastar to cheer for. I much prefer having favourable contract players to enhance team competitiveness.

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Chevy aint signing him for $12 M AAV. The market has already been set by McDavid and Eichel. Once Matthews signs Laine's number will be in a relatively tight range. And I expect Chevy to get him at the very bottom of that range.
 

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He's a modest Finnboy from Tampere not aiming at the moon. The figure will start with 7, max. And be done in this summer.
 

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McKenzie explained the reasons. Agents negotiate the contracts and his agent will likely ask for 15-16% of the cap, as he did for Kane and Toews etc. McDavid was 17% of the cap (which was Crosbys too).

Of course I'd like to dream that Laine signs for a 7 million dollar a year contract and that allows Jets to keep everyone etc, but that's not realistic because it's a business and the negotiations are between businessmen...the agent and the team.
 

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Yeah but Scheifele too had an agent for his. And the spring just may come to underline how nice it is that the team has the extra 2M available to use for a good depth guy.

Also there is the chance that Chevy actually makes the agents cry in that ****ing room.
 

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12 million is absurd and there's no chance whatsoever that it's going to happen.

Laine's comparable is not McDavid. It's going to be in the Pastrnak, Draisaitl scope.

Yep. His comparables are going to be guys like Gaudreau, Draisaitl, Tarasenko not McDavid or even Matthews for that matter.
 

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Laine is between 7-8M

Possibly 8M

Or a little bit more.

It will be difficult to sign this kind of talent below 7M and you tie him up 7-8 years.
Though most likely he won't hold a gun to chevy's head also.
 

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I'd rather spend 7 mil on Laine than Buff or Wheeler. Luckily we don't have to decide between Trouba and Laine. Right now that would be a tough decision with the offensive depth we have.
 

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Not sure if you did mean that one, but he feed Copp for a "sure goal", but that time Copp was not able to shoot that one.

Copp is not the problem on that line. It's the Laine-Ehlers connection that either almost never works or is one pass too many. Also every other time it's an offside when they finally have a good looking o-zone entry. I love it how these buddies like each others but unless they have glue named Mark between them I would not put them into the same line.
So all they have to do isitoiget Copp changw his first name! Brilliant! :cool:
 
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That would be a tough decision? How?
Uh because we don't have the defensive depth. We don't have Laine ehler, Connor, Perrault, wheeler will all pick up the scoring. We don't have Trouba we are forced to play Buff or Myers first unit.
If you mean why would we need to choose I don't know I thre out a dumb theoretical.
 

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Thinking about Laine on the third line with Ehlers may sound like a bad thing, but it's a good thing considering Copp I feel is the better fit for them than Little, who keeps a simple game which is why he works well on a line with Perreault and Roslovic. I do believe it leaves Maurice to trust his lines a lot more in order to give just about even minutes for all of the lines.

We're literally the most set team in the NHL on every single line. Our fourth line could use some work, but I'm not complaining, it's going to be odd when Lowry and Tanev are back from injury because it's now about who stays and who goes, at that point we might not have to make a trade at the deadline; although it is nice to see a big splash.

But I'd think the 4th line would be Lowry-Hendricks-Armia.
 

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I'm positive that Jets and Laine will find satisfactory contract for both negotiating parties. However, the price tag for this Finnish high caliber Mosin-Nagant M/16-50 model, serial number 60975 with iron sight and extra-long barrel cannot be too low due high demand for this sort of specialist weaponry in open NHL-markets, not even then negotiators would voluntarily agree lower-than-appropriate price, because of shared, common interests and the future prospects.

The arm has been already proven to be both reliable and consistent.
 
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Laine will sign a long-term (6-8yr) deal this summer for 6-8M AAV. Book it.

There is no way he is getting nor wanting to go double digits. A couple of millions more won't make a difference for his non-hockey life, but less will make wonders for his hockey life. Let me remind you, this is a kid whose only passion is winning. And he knows very well that there is no way to win a Cup if he goes overboard with his salary demands.

His agent may have a different opinion, but I believe that Laine will hold enough power in his hands to keep him in check. Besides, his agent could hit quite impressive numbers in hourly wage:

Chevy: "So, what kind of deal is Mr. Laine willing to negotiate on?"

Agent: "I have a contract form here. It's an 8yr deal, 6.5M AAV, 8-team NTC."

Chevy:
640
 

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Go Laine Go

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Do it!!!

As great as it would be, lets be realistic here. Laine plays and skates in third line and gets minutes accordingly. Last game, that seemed to be one of his best of the season, he skated total of 12:50 minutes. Lets keep in mind that it was against one of the worse teams out there. Should he score 10 goals in the last 19 games that would be absolutely insane. 13 in 19 games from the third line? Why not invite him to HoF right after the regular season is over. :)

If he got anywhere near the ice time that Crosby (or most of the others you mentioned I would assume) had during his first two seasons, I'd argue Laine would've shattered even Haverchuk's all-time record. What separates him from the rest is the efficiency of which he's been able to score goals versus the given ice time. No handouts while playing in a dysfunctional second line practically the entire year. What's really special in his case is that Laine will have received only approximately ~25% top line minutes from the span of two seasons.

What's weird is that the better he seems to play and the closer he seems to get, the less we see of him. Not entirely surprised though.

Thinking about Laine on the third line with Ehlers may sound like a bad thing, but it's a good thing considering Copp I feel is the better fit for them than Little, who keeps a simple game which is why he works well on a line with Perreault and Roslovic. I do believe it leaves Maurice to trust his lines a lot more in order to give just about even minutes for all of the lines.

We're literally the most set team in the NHL on every single line. Our fourth line could use some work, but I'm not complaining, it's going to be odd when Lowry and Tanev are back from injury because it's now about who stays and who goes, at that point we might not have to make a trade at the deadline; although it is nice to see a big splash.

But I'd think the 4th line would be Lowry-Hendricks-Armia.

I agree that Copp has looked like an upgrade to Little. Don't think he's the better player, but ELL being out of sync as was pointed out by many fans here really seems to really seems to emphasize now that it's finally dismantled. As for Maurice trusting even minutes to all lines, there's no indication of such and little to no chance of happening realistically speaking.
 

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I'm really surprised some Finnish fans not ranking Laine higher than 5 among Finnish talents/players, some fans ranking Barkov, Granlund, Aho and Rantanen ahead of Laine. Reading comments that Laine us too slow/lazy and causes too much turnovers? I would love to hear the view from Canadian Winnipeg Jets fans on this.

The only one I could possibly rank ahead of Laine myself is Barkov but not as a pure goal scorer/sniper.

It's a bit confusing and I suspect some Finnish fans still may be upset on Laine for not participating in last years hockey world championship? (I doubt they would admit this themselves though).
 

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I'm really surprised some Finnish fans not ranking Laine higher than 5 among Finnish talents/players, some fans ranking Barkov, Granlund, Aho and Rantanen ahead of Laine. Reading comments that Laine us too slow/lazy and causes too much turnovers? I would love to hear the view from Canadian Winnipeg Jets fans on this.

The only one I could possibly rank ahead of Laine myself is Barkov but not as a pure goal scorer/sniper.

It's a bit confusing and I suspect some Finnish fans still may be upset on Laine for not participating in last years hockey world championship? (I doubt they would admit this themselves though).

He just doesn't pass the eye test compared to all-around players like Granlund, Rantanen, Aho, etc. who are effective night in, night out.

Right now Laine is a mediocre at best 5on5 player who can barely make the 2nd line of his team on even strength, whose statistics are solely supported by the fact that he has a cannon of a shot to utilize on a highly effective Jets PP. Rantanen, Aho, Granlund, Barkov are the backbones for their respective teams, while Laine plays second fiddle to players such as Scheifele, Wheeler, even Connor and Roslovic at times.

His projection of course is higher than that, but at 19 years old he's not really a "great" player yet. Just one that can be utilized to great effect, like the Jets are doing, when he's protected. The other players mentioned do not need any "protection" by their team, because they've already matured into full-scale, all-around effective NHL players.

I reckon Finns generally respect solid work ethic, responsible defensive play, chemistry with teammates, over a superstar quality that, so far, far outshines other attributes of the game (which Laine does have). That's why steadier players are being rated over him, even though Laine's goal-scoring is likely to see him out-shining the rest eventually.

I don't think anyone cares about him not taking part in the world championship, neither did any of the other NHL players.
 
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He just doesn't pass the eye test compared to all-around players like Granlund, Rantanen, Aho, etc. who are effective night in, night out.

Right now Laine is a mediocre at best 5on5 player who can barely make the 2nd line of his team on even strength, whose statistics are solely supported by the fact that he has a cannon of a shot to utilize on a highly effective Jets PP. Rantanen, Aho, Granlund, Barkov are the backbones for their respective teams, while Laine plays second fiddle to players such as Scheifele, Wheeler, even Connor and Roslovic at times.

His projection of course is higher than that, but at 19 years old he's not really a "great" player yet. Just one that can be utilized to great effect, like the Jets are doing, when he's protected. The other players mentioned do not need any "protection" by their team, because they've already matured into full-scale, all-around effective NHL players.

I reckon Finns generally respect solid work ethic, responsible defensive play, chemistry with teammates, over a superstar quality that, so far, far outshines other attributes of the game (which Laine does have). That's why steadier players are being rated over him.

I don't think anyone cares about him not taking part in the world championship, neither did any of the other NHL players.

Great post giving me a better understanding, thank you.
 
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I believe some Finns dislike His former team Tappara, especially Puljujärvi and Aho fans. Tappara have dominated Finnish hockey a few years now. So Tappara haters dislike Laine too.
 

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He just doesn't pass the eye test compared to all-around players like Granlund, Rantanen, Aho, etc. who are effective night in, night out.

Right now Laine is a mediocre at best 5on5 player who can barely make the 2nd line of his team on even strength, whose statistics are solely supported by the fact that he has a cannon of a shot to utilize on a highly effective Jets PP. Rantanen, Aho, Granlund, Barkov are the backbones for their respective teams, while Laine plays second fiddle to players such as Scheifele, Wheeler, even Connor and Roslovic at times.

His projection of course is higher than that, but at 19 years old he's not really a "great" player yet. Just one that can be utilized to great effect, like the Jets are doing, when he's protected. The other players mentioned do not need any "protection" by their team, because they've already matured into full-scale, all-around effective NHL players.

I reckon Finns generally respect solid work ethic, responsible defensive play, chemistry with teammates, over a superstar quality that, so far, far outshines other attributes of the game (which Laine does have). That's why steadier players are being rated over him, even though Laine's goal-scoring is likely to see him out-shining the rest eventually.

I don't think anyone cares about him not taking part in the world championship, neither did any of the other NHL players.

I don’t mind this answer myself but ever since Laine was dropped from the 1st to the 2nd(now 3rd) Line(with a benefit stint Wheeler and Scheifele on they’re Line) he’s been working real hard on the forececk(it’s paying off, he looks much better at skating and he has looked really good defensively(I know the quality of the players drop but he was doing the same thing on the 2nd line before Maurice dropped him to the 3rd).

I can agree guys like Granlund, Barkov and Rantanen work real hard 5v5 and get rewarded with points and minutes but let’s not forget Laine is on a team with the highest stacked winger combo in the league and has to try and muster up the confidence and effort to score behind lines that get more time(with players like Wheeler and Scheifele who score at will) to score and oh yeah he’s still a teen.

Personally I think Laine can be better than all those guys if given the minutes, propper linemates(no Little, not necessarily asking for Scheifele though) and the effort. Though to overcome Barkov I think he’d have to fix flaws in his game(pretty much turn his flaws into positive values), good thing he has time to fix all that with time and aging... Hopefully his minutes rise right before the playoffs and after the playoffs he primarily works on speed, agility and acceleration in the offseason.
 

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I don’t mind this answer myself but ever since Laine was dropped from the 1st to the 2nd(now 3rd) Line(with a benefit stint Wheeler and Scheifele on they’re Line) he’s been working real hard on the forececk(it’s paying off, he looks much better at skating and he has looked really good defensively(I know the quality of the players drop but he was doing the same thing on the 2nd line before Maurice dropped him to the 3rd).

I can agree guys like Granlund, Barkov and Rantanen work real hard 5v5 and get rewarded with points and minutes but let’s not forget Laine is on a team with the highest stacked winger combo in the league and has to try and muster up the confidence and effort to score behind lines that get more time(with players like Wheeler and Scheifele who score at will) to score and oh yeah he’s still a teen.

Personally I think Laine can be better than all those guys if given the minutes, propper linemates(no Little, not necessarily asking for Scheifele though) and the effort. Though to overcome Barkov I think he’d have to fix flaws in his game(pretty much turn his flaws into positive values), good thing he has time to fix all that with time and aging... Hopefully his minutes rise right before the playoffs and after the playoffs he primarily works on speed, agility and acceleration in the offseason.

Well, being the best goal scorer of them all is a good start. ;-)
 
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Farmboy Patty

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I believe some Finns dislike His former team Tappara, especially Puljujärvi and Aho fans. Tappara have dominated Finnish hockey a few years now. So Tappara haters dislike Laine too.
I think so too. Another reason might be Laine's personality that divides people. In Finland there is a culture where you are not supposed to stick out or – god forbid – say it out loud how good you think you are. I have many Finnish friends who don't like his attitude, which is sad because it is one of Laine's traits that make him a star caliber player.
 

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I think so too. Another reason might be Laine's personality that divides people. In Finland there is a culture where you are not supposed to stick out or – god forbid – say it out loud how good you think you are. I have many Finnish friends who don't like his attitude, which is sad because it is one of Laine's traits that make him a star caliber player.

There are maybe some truth in this, but I wouldn't exaggerate this either. Decades and decades Finns were famous for their humble modesty that often went over to top causing bad self esteem and unneccessary losses (talking about hockey now). When we then finally get new generation of young guys who can break that almost streotypical pattern and actually live up with their self-confidence and skill, majority of Finns can't feel too bad for it. Besides, what we know about Laine's personality and it's development (from that kill-threats yelling hockey-youth-monstrosity) to the current down-to-earth Winnipegger who makes surprise visits to a birthdays of his 8yo fans, defending delightfully ironically his new hometown and it's folks in Media, giving honest self-critical comments upon his own shortcomings and misdeeds and so on, what we exactly see is just that what we Finns value most in hockey personality and celebrity.

Laine's alleged "cockiness" never exceed the limit that anybody could take it as an evidence of his bad character. There are always necessary scent of healthy self-irony around Laine.

Well, being the best goal scorer of them all is a good start. ;-)

Yeah. He is doing pretty well.
 
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