Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron II

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One of the great things about the internet age is that sports footage will be archived and accessible for the rest of our lives. No more lost tapes and forgotten footage. In 30 years time we'll be able to pull up hundreds of Bergeron clips to browse. That's pretty cool.
 

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Ill do everyone one better...

Bergeron is the second best hockey player to ever wear a Bruins jersey...

Bergeron at his very very best... might deserve a statement like that... but Bergeron hasn't been at his very very best more than half his career

once marchand went superrocket bergerons scoring rate improved significantly...

in his last 3 years he has 88 goals and 107 assists for 195 points in 228 games
that means in his previous 740 games he has just 206 goals and 344 assists for 550 points

he was basically a 22 goal/59-60 point per year average player his first 10 seasons and then became a 30 goal/70 point guy the last 3 years

even at his career norm... he was always very very underated. the fact that he doesn't have 6-7-8 selkes is just sick. he was robbed by toews because toews had a better pr guy.

honestly... I think bergerons recent offense is powered by his linemates. I don't think he takes his linemates and elevates them offensively. due to this reason I don't think we can talk about him as the second best bruin ever. I don't even think we can talk about him as the best center ever

phil Esposito did things offensively that were every bit as crazy dominant as what Bergeron does defensive... and then theres oates who was someone that elevated his linemates too. I think oates was very underrated defensive and as far as his offense goes he was a better playmaker than gretzky for years of head to head comparison. its shocking oates doesn't get more credit.

could Bergeron find a place in our top 10 all time list? I say he should be there... but with guys like bourque and neely in contention... some of the old time hof like shore and Schmidt... you likely are considering Bergeron at the bottom of the top 10. still great but not quite second all time

id like to see us do another rate the alltime bruins. I feel chara/Bergeron didn't get nearly enough respect last time we did it... and I could make a case for marchand getting up in that top 10 now too based on his last 2-3 seasons
 

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I used to think Bergeron’s offense was powered by his linemates, and his wingers definitely improve his stats, but he was putting up 70 point seasons before getting slammed by Jones. I think it took Bergeron a couple years to get his groove back offensively, and then with more ice time and all star wingers he just got better.
 

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Bergeron's recent success is more than partially due to the work he put into his release. Earlier in his career, he never had the shot he has now. Before last year his release was below average, now it is elite, especially from the bumper. That's all on him.
 

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Bergeron at his very very best... might deserve a statement like that... but Bergeron hasn't been at his very very best more than half his career

once marchand went superrocket bergerons scoring rate improved significantly...

in his last 3 years he has 88 goals and 107 assists for 195 points in 228 games
that means in his previous 740 games he has just 206 goals and 344 assists for 550 points

he was basically a 22 goal/59-60 point per year average player his first 10 seasons and then became a 30 goal/70 point guy the last 3 years

even at his career norm... he was always very very underated. the fact that he doesn't have 6-7-8 selkes is just sick. he was robbed by toews because toews had a better pr guy.

honestly... I think bergerons recent offense is powered by his linemates. I don't think he takes his linemates and elevates them offensively. due to this reason I don't think we can talk about him as the second best bruin ever. I don't even think we can talk about him as the best center ever

phil Esposito did things offensively that were every bit as crazy dominant as what Bergeron does defensive... and then theres oates who was someone that elevated his linemates too. I think oates was very underrated defensive and as far as his offense goes he was a better playmaker than gretzky for years of head to head comparison. its shocking oates doesn't get more credit.

could Bergeron find a place in our top 10 all time list? I say he should be there... but with guys like bourque and neely in contention... some of the old time hof like shore and Schmidt... you likely are considering Bergeron at the bottom of the top 10. still great but not quite second all time

id like to see us do another rate the alltime bruins. I feel chara/Bergeron didn't get nearly enough respect last time we did it... and I could make a case for marchand getting up in that top 10 now too based on his last 2-3 seasons
I really think the concussion and the way Julien utilized him played into his stats, he is the youngest 30 goal scorer in franchise history.
 
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Bergeron's recent success is more than partially due to the work he put into his release. Earlier in his career, he never had the shot he has now. Before last year his release was below average, now it is elite, especially from the bumper. That's all on him.
I seem to recall he had a wicked one-timer before Jones, but after the layoff he seemed to have lost it until these last few seasons.
 

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The video quality is terrible, but it appears Bergeron had a pretty good shot back in the day. Had a couple highlight reel goals, and he also hung around the net to pick up the garbage.
 
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Bergeron at his very very best... might deserve a statement like that... but Bergeron hasn't been at his very very best more than half his career

once marchand went superrocket bergerons scoring rate improved significantly...

in his last 3 years he has 88 goals and 107 assists for 195 points in 228 games
that means in his previous 740 games he has just 206 goals and 344 assists for 550 points

he was basically a 22 goal/59-60 point per year average player his first 10 seasons and then became a 30 goal/70 point guy the last 3 years

even at his career norm... he was always very very underated. the fact that he doesn't have 6-7-8 selkes is just sick. he was robbed by toews because toews had a better pr guy.

honestly... I think bergerons recent offense is powered by his linemates. I don't think he takes his linemates and elevates them offensively. due to this reason I don't think we can talk about him as the second best bruin ever. I don't even think we can talk about him as the best center ever

phil Esposito did things offensively that were every bit as crazy dominant as what Bergeron does defensive... and then theres oates who was someone that elevated his linemates too. I think oates was very underrated defensive and as far as his offense goes he was a better playmaker than gretzky for years of head to head comparison. its shocking oates doesn't get more credit.

could Bergeron find a place in our top 10 all time list? I say he should be there... but with guys like bourque and neely in contention... some of the old time hof like shore and Schmidt... you likely are considering Bergeron at the bottom of the top 10. still great but not quite second all time

id like to see us do another rate the alltime bruins. I feel chara/Bergeron didn't get nearly enough respect last time we did it... and I could make a case for marchand getting up in that top 10 now too based on his last 2-3 seasons

Great post.

I think his face-offs and three zone play make him a top ten player on the Bruins list. I agree about his offense being tied to great wingers and it makes total sense. All the great offensive centers had great wingers and Bergy is not wasting the opportunity which also speaks to his greatness.

Bergeron is not an all time NHL great offensive center, but I think he is an all time top ten two-way center. He has on more than one occasion shut down the NHLs best center in the playoffs defensively and scored enough to win a series.
 
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Bergeron was the youngest Bruin to score 30 goals until Pastrnak, and his second 30 goal year was the year before Pasta was drafted. His 3rd 30 goal season, was Pasta's 2nd year when he scored half as many and was barely a half ppg player who bounced between lines. Last year was his 4th, 30 goal season and best PPG rate as a Bruin.

Obviously, it helps to have 2 great shooters on your line but his recent uptick starting last year and continuing into this year can also be directly related to the coaching change. Bergeron's line no longer draws the toughest D assignments (with a few exceptions like McDavid), and now starts more in the OZone than at any time under CJ. Also add in the mobile, offensively gifted D core the team now employs (at least 1 puck mover per line) and it explains a lot of his scoring increase at an age where players are normally declining.
 
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after 9 games played the world wants to argue that Austin Matthews is now better than connor McDavid.... 10 goals and 6 assists for Matthews but also a -2

a lot of people are saying Nathan McKinnon deserves to be in that Matthews or McDavid argument after his last year of hockey... he has 8 goals and 7 assists for 15 points

where is Bergeron in this argument? the best defensive player in the nhl has 7 goals and 9 assists for 16 points... tied for first in offense... all alone for first in defense

McDavid needs 5 points in his next 3 games to equal Bergeron for offense

I know a few of the talking media heads were starting to argue Bergeron for hart last year... and I also know I argued marchand is the true key to the offense... but you factor in bergerons defense and hes head and shoulders the best player in the nhl this October.

wheres the respect?
 

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If he can stay healthy, Bergeron is going to have the best offensive season of his career. At age 33. Would like to see him hit 80 points. 90 is not out of the question.
 

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Bergeron is basically the perfect centre. He will perform offensively according to his line mates of course as any centre does. He is a playmaker. He scores. He wins face offs. He is tough as nails. He is constantly getting better. One of the best bumper pp players in the league. Goes to all the dirty places. Wins most his battles. Plays his position perfectly. The list goes on. This is one of the leagues best shut down centres.
 
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Bergeron is basically the perfect centre. He will perform offensively according to his line mates of course as any centre does. He is a playmaker. He scores. He wins face offs. He is tough as nails. He is constantly getting better. One of the best bumper pp players in the league. Goes to all the dirty places. Wins most his battles. Plays his position perfectly. The list goes on. This is one of the leagues best shut down centres.

I have a friend who is a crappy Pens fan. I told him Bergeron is the best all-around player in the league. He made the face, tried to argue for Crosby as he should, but when I pointed out Bergeron's point production, PLUS defensive and face-off skills, he didn't really have an answer. Ryan O'Reilly on 31 thoughts recently said Bergeron was the toughest face-off opponent in the league in his view.
 

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I have a friend who is a crappy Pens fan. I told him Bergeron is the best all-around player in the league. He made the face, tried to argue for Crosby as he should, but when I pointed out Bergeron's point production, PLUS defensive and face-off skills, he didn't really have an answer. Ryan O'Reilly on 31 thoughts recently said Bergeron was the toughest face-off opponent in the league in his view.

Plus, correct me if I'm wrong too, but I don't think Crosby regularly is on the PK like #37
 

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Plus, correct me if I'm wrong too, but I don't think Crosby regularly is on the PK like #37

No, I don't believe he is and my friend Tim tried to make the case the Crosby is close to Bergeron defensively. I gave him that Crosby might be the best offensive player in the league and is a solid all-around player, but for the whole package I'll take Bergeron every time.
 
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No, I don't believe he is and my friend Tim tried to make the case the Crosby is close to Bergeron defensively. I gave him that Crosby might be the best offensive player in the league and is a solid all-around player, but for the whole package I'll take Bergeron every time.

Yep and if you post that on the main board you'll get roasted, but we know what we have here and most of us would take Bergie over Sid. Nothing against Sid, he's a hell of a player but Bergie is more valuable to the Bruins than Sid would be if that makes any sense?
 

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Yep and if you post that on the main board you'll get roasted, but we know what we have here and most of us would take Bergie over Sid. Nothing against Sid, he's a hell of a player but Bergie is more valuable to the Bruins than Sid would be if that makes any sense?

Plus he whines too much. There are least four posters that I can name right off that would have a field day with "soft" Sid LOL
 
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Plus he whines too much. There are least four posters that I can name right off that would have a field day with "soft" Sid LOL

No doubt. You have to admit that Sid has toned it down a lot. Haven't seen any Pens games this year so far, but from what I've seen in the past couple of seasons he's gotten a lot better
 
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