Part 2- 2015 Draft - or ALL prior draft discussion here

[LouJersey]

I was thinking this morning...

Imagine if the Bruins drafted Barzal and Connor over Senyshyn and Zboril.

I never understood them drafting for need then but not in 2017 when they took Vaak over the need in Robert Thomas unless he knew at that point Zboril and Lauzon were going to be dime a dozen type NHLers

 

[Dr Hook]

I was thinking this morning...

Imagine if the Bruins drafted Barzal and Connor over Senyshyn and Zboril.

Can you imagine waking up and thinking that every morning like some people apparently do?

 

[Lobster57]

I was just looking, from the 2007 to the 2013 draft (that's 7 drafts in a row). There were only two productive draft picks, Sequin and Hamilton. Who they traded both away. After them it's Benning, Spooner and Colburne. If any of them stuck, they would be in their upper 20s/low 30s now. I know, different GM. I didn't look at other teams but i imagine most do better?

and Seguin and Dougie were no-brainer gimme's taken with another team's pick. Hard to give too much credit for them.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I never understood them drafting for need then but not in 2017 when they took Vaak over the need in Robert Thomas unless he knew at that point Zboril and Lauzon were going to be dime a dozen type NHLers

So Sweeney knew Lauzon was a “dime a dozen NHL player” after his last year in the Q ? or was it the U20 in 2017 ?

 

[member 96824]

and Seguin and Dougie were no-brainer gimme's taken with another team's pick. Hard to give too much credit for them.

No brainers....wellllllll......

 

[Lobster57]

No brainers....wellllllll......

it is a little hypocritical of me to slam Sweeney et. al. for going way off the board in 2015 while not giving credit to Chia et. al. for making the obvious picks in 10 and 11. b

 

[BigGoalBrad]

I never understood them drafting for need then but not in 2017 when they took Vaak over the need in Robert Thomas unless he knew at that point Zboril and Lauzon were going to be dime a dozen type NHLers

You know right away.

Guys like Pasta McAvoy and Carlo didn't make the team within a year of being drafted by accident.

I remember being at a preseason game and being like 'whos that he stinks and doesn't belong on the ice' and of course it was Senyshyn.

I'd love to throw Vaak and Zboril off the deep end and see if one of them is a McAvoy partner. You have Moore/Gryz as solid LDs anyways. Lauzen is fine on the third.

 

[b in vancouver]

I'll change streams for a second but 2005 is a hilariously bad draft for The Bruins. It wasn't a deep draft but if you take a quick look at the guys either drafted a pick before or within two or three picks after it's just kinda ridiculous.

Lashoff 22 - Oshie 24, Cogliano 25 Niskanen 28(Rask 21)
Kalus 39 - Pavelec 41, Abdelkader 42, Paul Statsny 44
Lehtonen 83 - Mark Fraser 84, Bishop 85
Sigalet 100 - Boll 101
Sobotka 106 (fine player) Hjalmarsson 108 (Yandle 105)
Wacey Rabbit 154 - Mark Fayne 155, Ryan Reaves 156
Vantuch 172 - no one really succeeded around him... D'Agostino was picked later in the round
Brock Bradford 217 - (Anton Stralman 216) Hornqvist at 230

So if they got the guy exactly two picks later they'd have drafted.
Oshie, Pavelec, Ben Bishop, Hjalmarsson and Ryan Reaves. and Boll a pick after.

 

[b in vancouver]

and Seguin and Dougie were no-brainer gimme's taken with another team's pick. Hard to give too much credit for them.

Not exactly fair to discount those guys. Most every team in the league has had multiple 'no-brainer' picks. Outside of those two The Bruins have had Thornton and Kessel in the last 30 years.
You can maybe say Couture but I really like Hamill thought he'd be excellent. You can argue Samsonov and Parise were 'no-brainers' but, especially those years, there were worries about their size.
Once you get out of that top 5 their really aren't many 'no-brainer' picks left. Considering they've been one of the most consistently competitive teams for decades they've been better than near every team in bringing in young talent. Has there been a team with less 'no-brainer' picks.

And then you can also add in signing college F.A.s like Krug and Wheeler.

 

[CantStoptheBrock]

I was wondering if anyone here could share some information about how much impact Jim Benning had on the Bruins' drafting between 2006-2013, when he was assistant GM. Boston's drafting seemed pretty poor during those years. Was he directly involved, or attending to other duties?​

 

[Dicky113]

The team interviewed both Barzal and Connor, but I can't speak for Chabot. In fact, you can even see the team interviewing Connor in "Behind The B." Elliotte Friedman wrote the below about Barzal, and it has been heavily implied on here that the mystery team was the Bruins:

Barzal is a confident lad. There is a story about him that made me want to talk to him. It goes like this: During one of his draft interviews, a team asked him, “Why should we pick you?” Word is he answered something along the lines of, “Don’t, and we’ll see how it works out.” I think he was surprised that I knew it, because he laughed but didn’t say anything. He didn’t want to cause a problem.

There’s also a rumour that the Bruins accidentally thought Barzal was off the board. My guess both are bullshit.

 

[Dicky113]

I'll change streams for a second but 2005 is a hilariously bad draft for The Bruins. It wasn't a deep draft but if you take a quick look at the guys either drafted a pick before or within two or three picks after it's just kinda ridiculous.

Lashoff 22 - Oshie 24, Cogliano 25 Niskanen 28(Rask 21)
Kalus 39 - Pavelec 41, Abdelkader 42, Paul Statsny 44
Lehtonen 83 - Mark Fraser 84, Bishop 85
Sigalet 100 - Boll 101
Sobotka 106 (fine player) Hjalmarsson 108 (Yandle 105)
Wacey Rabbit 154 - Mark Fayne 155, Ryan Reaves 156
Vantuch 172 - no one really succeeded around him... D'Agostino was picked later in the round
Brock Bradford 217 - (Anton Stralman 216) Hornqvist at 230

So if they got the guy exactly two picks later they'd have drafted.
Oshie, Pavelec, Ben Bishop, Hjalmarsson and Ryan Reaves. and Boll a pick after.

You can go through every draft with hindsight and find similar head scratchers. The thing that made 2015 different was that everyone, and I mean everyone including nearly 100% of fans, media, household pets etc knew with complete certainty that the Bruins were making a tragic series of mistakes while they happened. It wasn’t unanimous in terms of which players should be picked where, but it was unanimous that two of Barzal, Connor or Konekcy needed to be drafted.

Literally the only people in the world that didn’t realize how bad a clusterf*** it was were don, Cam and their incompetent scouting department (although in fairness I suspect they were probably overruled).

how Sweeney still has a job is what amazes me. If I took a shit like that at my job three times in a row I am quite sure I’d be out of work immediately afterward.

 

[Don Cherry]

You can go through every draft with hindsight and find similar head scratchers. The thing that made 2015 different was that everyone, and I mean everyone including nearly 100% of fans, media, household pets etc knew with complete certainty that the Bruins were making a tragic series of mistakes while they happened. It wasn’t unanimous in terms of which players should be picked where, but it was unanimous that two of Barzal, Connor or Konekcy needed to be drafted.

Literally the only people in the world that didn’t realize how bad a clusterf*** it was were don, Cam and their incompetent scouting department (although in fairness I suspect they were probably overruled).

how Sweeney still has a job is what amazes me. If I took a shit like that at my job three times in a row I am quite sure I’d be out of work immediately afterward.

 

[Gee Wally]

Taking a look at the Bruins’ many failed attempts to draft a franchise goalie - The Boston Globe


1963 — none; 1964 — 14. Dryden*; 1965 — none; 1966 — none; 1967 — none; 1968 — none; 1969 — none; 1970 — 27. Bouchard*; 1971 — 28. Curt Ridley*; 1972 — none; 1973 — 79. Peter Crosbie*; 142. Jim Pettie (21); 1974 — 175. Peter Waselovich*; 1975 — 122. Gary Carr*; 1976 — none; 1977 — 34. Dave Parro*; 1978 — 119. Murray Skinner*; 1979 — 99. Baron (64); 1980 — 165. Moffat (19); 1981 — 98. Joe Mantione*; 182. Don Sylvestri (3); 1982 — 249. Bruno Campese*; 1983 — 82. Allan LaRochelle*; 122. Terry Taillefer*; 222. Norm Foster (3); 1984 — 103. Mike Bishop*; 1985 — 52. Ranford (122); 1986 — none; 1987 — 77. Matt DelGuidice (11); 1988 — none; 1989 — 38. Mike Parson*; 1990 — 105. Mike Bales (1); 1991 — 62. Marcel Cousineau*; 1992 — 112. Scott Bailey (19); 1993 — 259. Joakim Persson*; 1994 — 21. Evgeni Ryabchikov*; 229. John Grahame (76); 255. Neil Savary*; 1995 — 47. Paxton Schafer(3); 1996 — none; 1997 — none; 1998 — 135. Raycroft (108); 1999 — 147. Seamus Kotyk*; 179 — Donald Choukalos*; 2000 — none; 2001 — 209. Jordan Sigalet (1); 2002 — 29. Hannu Toivonen (38); 2003 — 153. Mike Brown*; 277. Kevin Regan*; 2004 — none; 2005 — none; 2006 — none; 2007 — none; 2008 — 77. Michael Hutchinson*; 2009 — none; 2010 — 165. Zane McIntyre (8); 2011 — 181. Lars Volden*; 2012 — 24. Malcolm Subban (2); 2013 — none; 2014 — none; 2015 — 75. Vladar*; 2016 — none; 2017 — 111. Jeremy Swayman*; 2018 — none; 2019 — none.

 

[The don godfather]

Taking a look at the Bruins’ many failed attempts to draft a franchise goalie - The Boston Globe


1963 — none; 1964 — 14. Dryden*; 1965 — none; 1966 — none; 1967 — none; 1968 — none; 1969 — none; 1970 — 27. Bouchard*; 1971 — 28. Curt Ridley*; 1972 — none; 1973 — 79. Peter Crosbie*; 142. Jim Pettie (21); 1974 — 175. Peter Waselovich*; 1975 — 122. Gary Carr*; 1976 — none; 1977 — 34. Dave Parro*; 1978 — 119. Murray Skinner*; 1979 — 99. Baron (64); 1980 — 165. Moffat (19); 1981 — 98. Joe Mantione*; 182. Don Sylvestri (3); 1982 — 249. Bruno Campese*; 1983 — 82. Allan LaRochelle*; 122. Terry Taillefer*; 222. Norm Foster (3); 1984 — 103. Mike Bishop*; 1985 — 52. Ranford (122); 1986 — none; 1987 — 77. Matt DelGuidice (11); 1988 — none; 1989 — 38. Mike Parson*; 1990 — 105. Mike Bales (1); 1991 — 62. Marcel Cousineau*; 1992 — 112. Scott Bailey (19); 1993 — 259. Joakim Persson*; 1994 — 21. Evgeni Ryabchikov*; 229. John Grahame (76); 255. Neil Savary*; 1995 — 47. Paxton Schafer(3); 1996 — none; 1997 — none; 1998 — 135. Raycroft (108); 1999 — 147. Seamus Kotyk*; 179 — Donald Choukalos*; 2000 — none; 2001 — 209. Jordan Sigalet (1); 2002 — 29. Hannu Toivonen (38); 2003 — 153. Mike Brown*; 277. Kevin Regan*; 2004 — none; 2005 — none; 2006 — none; 2007 — none; 2008 — 77. Michael Hutchinson*; 2009 — none; 2010 — 165. Zane McIntyre (8); 2011 — 181. Lars Volden*; 2012 — 24. Malcolm Subban (2); 2013 — none; 2014 — none; 2015 — 75. Vladar*; 2016 — none; 2017 — 111. Jeremy Swayman*; 2018 — none; 2019 — none.

That's scary need to sign one then .

 

[b in vancouver]

You can go through every draft with hindsight and find similar head scratchers. The thing that made 2015 different was that everyone, and I mean everyone including nearly 100% of fans, media, household pets etc knew with complete certainty that the Bruins were making a tragic series of mistakes while they happened. It wasn’t unanimous in terms of which players should be picked where, but it was unanimous that two of Barzal, Connor or Konekcy needed to be drafted.

Literally the only people in the world that didn’t realize how bad a clusterf*** it was were don, Cam and their incompetent scouting department (although in fairness I suspect they were probably overruled).

how Sweeney still has a job is what amazes me. If I took a shit like that at my job three times in a row I am quite sure I’d be out of work immediately afterward.

How did my 2005 statement come back to this? I simply stated that the 2005 draft was bad, and brought up why - as it was kind of a ridiculous draft, in a thread that's about past drafts and you come back with this b.s. while quoting me ? I get that you're beating your stick on your own drum but seriously... go masturbate in a corner for god's sake and leave me the hell out of it.

 

[Dicky113]

How did my 2005 statement come back to this? I simply stated that the 2005 draft was bad, and brought up why - as it was kind of a ridiculous draft, in a thread that's about past drafts and you come back with this b.s. while quoting me ? I get that you're beating your stick on your own drum but seriously... go masturbate in a corner for god's sake and leave me the hell out of it.

How did my hockey statement come back to you recommending someone goes and masturbates? You should talk to someone, that’s f***ed up.

 

[finchster]

Taking a look at the Bruins’ many failed attempts to draft a franchise goalie - The Boston Globe


1963 — none; 1964 — 14. Dryden*; 1965 — none; 1966 — none; 1967 — none; 1968 — none; 1969 — none; 1970 — 27. Bouchard*; 1971 — 28. Curt Ridley*; 1972 — none; 1973 — 79. Peter Crosbie*; 142. Jim Pettie (21); 1974 — 175. Peter Waselovich*; 1975 — 122. Gary Carr*; 1976 — none; 1977 — 34. Dave Parro*; 1978 — 119. Murray Skinner*; 1979 — 99. Baron (64); 1980 — 165. Moffat (19); 1981 — 98. Joe Mantione*; 182. Don Sylvestri (3); 1982 — 249. Bruno Campese*; 1983 — 82. Allan LaRochelle*; 122. Terry Taillefer*; 222. Norm Foster (3); 1984 — 103. Mike Bishop*; 1985 — 52. Ranford (122); 1986 — none; 1987 — 77. Matt DelGuidice (11); 1988 — none; 1989 — 38. Mike Parson*; 1990 — 105. Mike Bales (1); 1991 — 62. Marcel Cousineau*; 1992 — 112. Scott Bailey (19); 1993 — 259. Joakim Persson*; 1994 — 21. Evgeni Ryabchikov*; 229. John Grahame (76); 255. Neil Savary*; 1995 — 47. Paxton Schafer(3); 1996 — none; 1997 — none; 1998 — 135. Raycroft (108); 1999 — 147. Seamus Kotyk*; 179 — Donald Choukalos*; 2000 — none; 2001 — 209. Jordan Sigalet (1); 2002 — 29. Hannu Toivonen (38); 2003 — 153. Mike Brown*; 277. Kevin Regan*; 2004 — none; 2005 — none; 2006 — none; 2007 — none; 2008 — 77. Michael Hutchinson*; 2009 — none; 2010 — 165. Zane McIntyre (8); 2011 — 181. Lars Volden*; 2012 — 24. Malcolm Subban (2); 2013 — none; 2014 — none; 2015 — 75. Vladar*; 2016 — none; 2017 — 111. Jeremy Swayman*; 2018 — none; 2019 — none.

Yikes
Bill Ranford is probably the best on that list

 

[maxl7]

The team interviewed both Barzal and Connor, but I can't speak for Chabot. In fact, you can even see the team interviewing Connor in "Behind The B." Elliotte Friedman wrote the below about Barzal, and it has been heavily implied on here that the mystery team was the Bruins:

Barzal is a confident lad. There is a story about him that made me want to talk to him. It goes like this: During one of his draft interviews, a team asked him, “Why should we pick you?” Word is he answered something along the lines of, “Don’t, and we’ll see how it works out.” I think he was surprised that I knew it, because he laughed but didn’t say anything. He didn’t want to cause a problem.

In the 31 Thoughts podcast episode tied to that piece, he outright says that he thinks it was Boston.

 

[Therick67]

Taking a look at the Bruins’ many failed attempts to draft a franchise goalie - The Boston Globe


1963 — none; 1964 — 14. Dryden*; 1965 — none; 1966 — none; 1967 — none; 1968 — none; 1969 — none; 1970 — 27. Bouchard*; 1971 — 28. Curt Ridley*; 1972 — none; 1973 — 79. Peter Crosbie*; 142. Jim Pettie (21); 1974 — 175. Peter Waselovich*; 1975 — 122. Gary Carr*; 1976 — none; 1977 — 34. Dave Parro*; 1978 — 119. Murray Skinner*; 1979 — 99. Baron (64); 1980 — 165. Moffat (19); 1981 — 98. Joe Mantione*; 182. Don Sylvestri (3); 1982 — 249. Bruno Campese*; 1983 — 82. Allan LaRochelle*; 122. Terry Taillefer*; 222. Norm Foster (3); 1984 — 103. Mike Bishop*; 1985 — 52. Ranford (122); 1986 — none; 1987 — 77. Matt DelGuidice (11); 1988 — none; 1989 — 38. Mike Parson*; 1990 — 105. Mike Bales (1); 1991 — 62. Marcel Cousineau*; 1992 — 112. Scott Bailey (19); 1993 — 259. Joakim Persson*; 1994 — 21. Evgeni Ryabchikov*; 229. John Grahame (76); 255. Neil Savary*; 1995 — 47. Paxton Schafer(3); 1996 — none; 1997 — none; 1998 — 135. Raycroft (108); 1999 — 147. Seamus Kotyk*; 179 — Donald Choukalos*; 2000 — none; 2001 — 209. Jordan Sigalet (1); 2002 — 29. Hannu Toivonen (38); 2003 — 153. Mike Brown*; 277. Kevin Regan*; 2004 — none; 2005 — none; 2006 — none; 2007 — none; 2008 — 77. Michael Hutchinson*; 2009 — none; 2010 — 165. Zane McIntyre (8); 2011 — 181. Lars Volden*; 2012 — 24. Malcolm Subban (2); 2013 — none; 2014 — none; 2015 — 75. Vladar*; 2016 — none; 2017 — 111. Jeremy Swayman*; 2018 — none; 2019 — none.

I remember when they drafted Ryabchikov...nobody knew who the hell he was....

The list is probably similar for Sweeney's attempts to find a 2nd line winger..

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Can you imagine waking up and thinking that every morning like some people apparently do?

I wake up thinking, imagine if Bs took Joe Sakic instead of Quintal?

 

[Dr Hook]

I wake up thinking, imagine if Bs took Joe Sakic instead of Quintal?

That or John LeClair. What a nightmare. Friggin Harry.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yikes
Bill Ranford is probably the best on that list

But Jim Pettie was the most entertaining.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

That or John LeClair. What a nightmare. Friggin Harry.

Of course the Bruins did pick Glen Wesley with the 3rd overall pick that year, which was acquired for Barry Pederson. Guess Cam was the throw-in friggin' Harry wanted.

 

[yazmybaby]

I wake up thinking, imagine if Bs took Joe Sakic instead of Quintal?

Or John Tonelli/Rod Langway instead of Dwight Foster????