Gags1288 said:
Watch him play a little more instead of simply looking at his OHL numbers. This is a kid that was the Phantoms best player last year in the AHL playoffs. A kid that is tied for the all-time lead in goals scored by a Canadian in the WJC. So what that he didn't put up 150 points in junior or even 100, he has no one to play with. People like him so much because he's 6-4, he's got great speed, and really good hands. He'll get stronger and at that point, he'll pretty much possess every attribute needed in a top line center. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a #1 center in the league, but I think he has a good chance to be.
That's all fair enough, but make no mistake - his numbers over the last two years have not improved, and have been a dissappointment. They are certainly not at the level of a future NHL 1st liner - and you can look up the stats on that if you want.
Charlie_Girl49 said:
Come again? Not to take anything away from Nash, but that was a stupid comment.
Nash
GP G A PTS +/- PPG
2001-2002 54 32 40 72 -16 1.33
2000-2001 58 31 35 66 -18 1.14
Carter
GP G A PTS +/- PPG
2004-2005 55 34 40 74 20 1.35
2003-2004 57 36 30 66 4 1.16
2002-2003 61 35 36 71 -5 1.16
2001-2002 63 18 17 35 1 0.56
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So you just showed that Nash's numbers as a 17 year old are the same as Carter's as a 19 year old, and his numbers as a 16 year old are the same as Carter's as an 18 year old....so what was stupid about my comment?
or are you trying to argue that Carter is a better defensvie player than Nash? I won't argue that - and I'm also not going to use +/- numbers from junior to argue that.
BuppY said:
Dude I live in Toronto. I've watched Mats play almost every game and only person I think that reminds me of Mats is Jeff Carter watch them play you'll see what im talking about. Similar size, both have similar skating style, both protect the puck really well. When I see Carter I see Mats in him and a lot of other Leaf fans feel the same way.
I'm happy for you that you live in Toronto.
And I'd say Linden has a very similar style to Mats as well - just without the elite level skill. Which is how I view Carter. Yes he has a similar style of play as Mats - but he just doesn't have that extra offensive skill which makes an NHL star first liner.
Sundin is a very rare package - many players have part of that package, very few have that whole package.
Brock said:
Really? Nothing at all?
Not leading his poor team to a OHL division title and 4th in the extremely tough Western Conference. Nor leading them with 74 points in 55 games. If Jeff Carter wasn't on that team, theyd be playing golf with Sarnia, Oshawa and Saginaw right now instead of being up 2-0 on Windsor in the playoffs right now.
Statistically, Carter's 1.35ppg were only behind 6 players this year. Three of those being London players (Perry, Hunter Schremp), two being Platters (Richardson and Ryan), and the other being the only other player in the OHL who means more to his team, Patrick O Sullivan.
Have you ever seen Carter play in the OHL?
Let's be a little more specific with those stats.
1) C.Perry (19): 2.17ppg
2) P.O'Sullivan (19): 1.58ppg
3) D.Hunter (19): 1.55ppg
4) R.Schremp (18): 1.45ppg
5) B.Ryan (17): 1.44ppg
6) B.Richardson (19): 1.43ppg
7) J.Carter (19): 1.35ppg
8) R.Hisey (20): 1.30ppg
9) E.McGrath (18): 1.30ppg
10) D.Bolland (18): 1.29ppg
11) L.Reddux (18): 1.21ppg
11) D.Ryder (17): 1.21ppg
13) J.Mitchell (19): 1.19ppg
14) G.Platt (19): 1.16ppg
15) M.Rancourt (20): 1.16ppg
Now of course the guys on London and Owen Sound have a decided advantage, but Carter is far from the only one on that list who has a weak supporting cast, and an NHL body.
There's a good number of players here who were by far the top scorer on their team, without which the team wouldn't have made the playoffs.
In fact, in terms of situation, team quality, role on the team, and production over the past two years.....the player Carter looks most similar to is actually John Mitchell....who, while he's a decent prospect, projects to being a good 3rd line centre, with maybe some 2nd line potential.
Now I'll say that Carter is still a better prospect than Mitchell....but I'll also say carter is much, much closer to a Mitchell type prospect than he is to a perry type prospect.