Parise Scratched

[GuerinUp]

Me - why would a big corporate insurance company have their doctors BS them into paying out millions of dollars.

You - lol XD the world isn't sunshine and rainbows noob.

I give up. If you ever decide to read about Hossa's situation I'm sure you will. Might encounter some big words there but I'm sure you'll be up to the task.

I dont think you understand how insurance companies work if you think their doctors are the ones giving out diagnoses...

 

[StateofCelly]

Understandable what he was trying to do, to get Foligno that hat trick, but you don't make that promise. If Foligno is nearby and you get the puck, sure give him the hat trick. If he's not, you put it in yourself.

The thing is watching it back to me he had no intent of helping Marcus. IMO he was looking for the goal himself, but has found that as an excuse to hide behind. I in no way despise Parise as much as some, as he just signed the contract he had put in front of him.. though he hasn't lived up to expectations, it brought much needed excitement to Minnesota. But.. I am over all the drama that has followed in recent years.

 

[ninetyeight]

That was a decade ago.

You said always. A decade ago would be his prime, isn’t that how you usually judge players

 

[DrewGl]

"He always seemed like the greatest 'good not great' player in the league."

yeah...he had one really good season...like a lot of "good" players. not a great player.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

parise retained +2021 1st to nyi for empty pizza box and used maga hat e5

Like Andrew Ladd?

 

[End of Line]

Lord knows he's received enough cross checks in the back (and a back surgery 2 years ago) to have semi legitimate back problems.

Once you have back surgery it’s all down hill..

 

[57special]

the part where a skin rash prevents you from playing hockey....

gunk is really, really gross. Layers of skin actually come off when you take off your sweaty equipment.

 

[Sparksrus3]

if Tavares played for the Wild he would be scratched until April...

 

[Kuznetsnow]

I dont think you understand how insurance companies work if you think their doctors are the ones giving out diagnoses...

If you don't think they get a second opinion from their doctors when they have millions on the line I really don't know what to tell you. That's standard practice for any big liability.

That said, you clearly know more about his condition than da big bad conspiracy doctors. Which part did they lie about? Drugs that he had to take to manage it? Their long term effects? The seriousness of it? Tell us more about this "skin rash" why don't you.

Also, how did they get Hossa to cut his career short when he was still productive and by all accounts enjoyed playing, was chasing all time stat positions and was meaningfully contributing to the team. Did they threaten his family?

 

[surixon]

He didn't want to play with his condition because it was getting to the point where it would severely mess with his quality of life then and down the road.

Most players "can play through" anything short of being dead, that doesn't mean anything. Some of them try to play through concussions and end up dead from CTE a few years later, but hey they "played through it". Pretty much everyone in the NHL plays through more than a healthy person should, but that's widely accepted as the norm and part of being in the show. However Hossa's condition went way beyond that.

Seems this whole discussion boils down to people here being like lol cheeky cap recapture XD and not realizing that the amount of medication Hossa had to take to keep skin on his body was gonna mess him up for life.

I get that but do you really think things suddenly got much worse between the year where he made $4 million and the year he made $1 million? That is an awfully big coincidence is it not? I think it's naive to believe that money wasn't a driving factor in his decision.

After all all of those cap diving contracts where signed with the intention of the player not playing the remaining years of the deal. They were only tacked on to lower the cap hit.

 

[IceNeophyte]

yeah...he had one really good season...like a lot of "good" players. not a great player.

I'd say he had more than one really good season. No one said he's McJesus.

2007-08	23	NJD	NHL	81	32	33	65	13	25	21	10	1	8	20	13	0	266	12.0	431	1463	18:04	50	54	48.1	30	76	45	30	AS-9,Byng-25
2008-09	24	NJD	NHL	82	45	49	94	30	24	31	14	0	8	30	16	3	364	12.4	544	1538	18:45	54	66	45.0	17	65	34	17	AS-2,AS-10,Byng-3,Hart-5,Selke-8
2009-10	25	NJD	NHL	81	38	44	82	24	32	28	9	1	5	27	17	0	347	11.0	514	1602	19:46	18	30	37.5	34	108	49	30	AS-4,Byng-9,Hart-13,Selke-12
2010-11	26	NJD	NHL	13	3	3	6	-1	6	3	0	0	1	2	1	0	49	6.1	65	258	19:51	4	7	36.4	6	13	6	4
2011-12	27	NJD	NHL	82	31	38	69	-5	32	21	7	3	3	27	7	4	293	10.6	416	1762	21:29	30	33	47.6	39	65	65	35	AS-12,Selke-18
2012-13	28	MIN	NHL	48	18	20	38	2	16	11	7	0	4	14	6	0	182	9.9	263	992	20:40	3	6	33.3	41	59	24	16	AS-10,Byng-23,Hart-23,Selke-45
2013-14	29	MIN	NHL	67	29	27	56	10	30	14	14	1	5	21	6	0	245	11.8	378	1369	20:26	10	14	41.7	45	70	46	18	AS-11
2014-15	30	MIN	NHL	74	33	29	62	21	41	22	11	0	3	24	5	0	259	12.7	406	1420	19:11	2	10	16.7	56	86	47	24	AS-7,Byng-33,Hart-18,Selke-17
2015-16	31	MIN	NHL	70	25	28	53	-3	36	18	7	0	7	17	11	0	234	10.7	385	1350	19:18	0	4	0.0	42	71	39	18	Selke-35
2016-17	32	MIN	NHL	69	19	23	42	-3	30	13	6	0	4	17	6	0	194	9.8	300	1203	17:26	8	5	61.5	69	46	33	17

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's a pretty solid stretch. Lots of award votes too, I guess they should have consulted with you before voting

He was also positive Corsi For in every single year of his career up through 2017, but I won't bore the board with that graph.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

I get that but do you really think things suddenly got much worse between the year where he made $4 million and the year he made $1 million? That is an awfully big coincidence is it not? I think it's naive to believe that money wasn't a driving factor in his decision.

He would have gotten the money either way. Probably played through shit he shouldn't have. Do you think Marian Hossa would rather sit on his ass than play hockey for 1 million dollars if he was able to? Chara is doing that right now and Hossa was as much of a hockey fiend as anyone.

After all all of those cap diving contracts where signed with the intention of the player not playing the remaining years of the deal. They were only tacked on to lower the cap hit.

And it works because virtually all players are ground beef by the time they hit their late 30s. That's what living the lifestyle equivalent of being in a dozen car crashes per year buffered by tramadol and cortisol does to you. Some keep playing through it, some don't, some can't. But no one goes on LTIR because they have a hangnail.

 

[Lacaar]

Makes $8m this year, $6m next year, then $2m, $1m, $1m

I would guess Parise is going to have a career ending injury next year

I'd say you're correct.

Career ending gingivitis after next year.

 

[Amazinmets73]

He always seemed like the biggest "Good not great" player in the league.

Agreed. He's a borderline HoFer simply due to being very good over a prolonged period.

 

[Ringmaster]

I dont think you understand how insurance companies work if you think their doctors are the ones giving out diagnoses...

Ask me, my uncle gets paid not too work and he's perfectly fine.

 

[GuerinUp]

If you don't think they get a second opinion from their doctors when they have millions on the line I really don't know what to tell you. That's standard practice for any big liability.

That said, you clearly know more about his condition than da big bad conspiracy doctors. Which part did they lie about? Drugs that he had to take to manage it? Their long term effects? The seriousness of it? Tell us more about this "skin rash" why don't you.

Also, how did they get Hossa to cut his career short when he was still productive and by all accounts enjoyed playing, was chasing all time stat positions and was meaningfully contributing to the team. Did they threaten his family?

Insurance companies do not get to examine the patient they can read a diagnoses and dispute it, but they by no means get to send there own doctor over to marians house and be like "hey bud show me your rash, we need to make sure this is real"

 

[ThatGuy22]

Insurance companies do not get to examine the patient they can read a diagnoses and dispute it, but they by no means get to send there own doctor over to marians house and be like "hey bud show me your rash, we need to make sure this is real"

Should also probably be mentioned that the NHL has a group insurance policy.

Each team pays a premium based on a percentage of their top 5 highest paid players, which gives them a certain amount of money to insure their contracts they can divide as they see fit(usaully insuring portions of 5 to 7 contracts in a given season).

Insurance company isn't going to nickle and dime each individual claim baring something really fishy going on, or risk losing the entire NHL wide policy.

 

[voxel]

Makes $8m this year, $6m next year, then $2m, $1m, $1m

I would guess Parise is going to have a career ending injury next year

He's going to be allergic to his own stick.

 

[Bobby Terrance]

Maybe it wouldn't hurt for you to hit up high school again. Or middle school for that matter.

Describing his condition as a "rash" is like describing cancer as "going bald". But obviously you don't care about any of the details because you're here to proudly get off on being an idiot

Ya and to add on the this post, if he was just agreeing to circumvent the cap he'd be playing pro somewhere.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

He's going to be allergic to his own stick.

Fighting Back: Parise's road to recovery

Or his back issues progress like they do for virtually all older hockey players that have those kinds of problems.

Lots of players play above ltir threshold for a while before calling it quits. The ones good enough to justify a ltirment contract tend to be in the show longer, push themselves harder and are the focus of other teams' physical punishment.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Makes $8m this year, $6m next year, then $2m, $1m, $1m

I would guess Parise is going to have a career ending injury next year

Seems like the same kind of contrat like Weber has.

Perhaps they will go to Robidas island soon together