Parent refusing to wear mask

[cowboy82nd]

Ya, we had the team manager handle it.

The guy pouted and ignored the team manager after that, even though they used to be really friendly.

He wore his mask properly that day, but yesterday at the game he was wearing it under his nose.

It’s just getting tiresome with this guy.

Also, I don’t care if he knows it’s me complaining, I would actually prefer he knows I’m pissed.

However, since our daughters are friends, I get the situation and knew it was best handled discreetly.

I know this is probably not a popular opinion but, if he isn’t wearing his mask properly, his daughter shouldn’t play. Maybe the only way to wake this dude up.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I know this is probably not a popular opinion but, if he isn’t wearing his mask properly, his daughter shouldn’t play. Maybe the only way to wake this dude up.

He’s divorced and I’ve never seen the mother around, so I assume if he’s banned his daughter won’t have anyone to bring her..?

She’s a nice kid, and she and my daughter are the only reason I haven’t said something to this guy... because I know that won’t end well.

 

[puckpilot]

First, if you haven't already done so, download that live barn footage of him not wearing a mask. Maybe download a bunch of footage. You might need it. In fact, why not show that to the owner of the rink or others in charge. Then if they show it to the douche bag, he'll know he's on video. Maybe that'll make him self-conscious about things.

It's easy to lie about how often you have the mask on or off, but when there's video of it, it makes it harder to BS.

Also, if you let it be known you have proof that rules are being broken, that may pressure the owner and those in charge to take a more forceful hand in dealing with things. Because if something bad happens, and the owner and people in charge didn't do enough, they may get in serious trouble.

As for hurt feeling and awkward situations, I say who gives a f***. Better that than having someone die because of this. If he doesn't want to wear a mask, that's his right. But he has no right to expose others to the consequences of his stupidity.

Think about it this way. It'd be a shame if you're daughter and his can no longer be friends because of this, but what if his actions caused your daughter to get it or you to get it or it spreads to your family and friends through you? And gosh forbid. What if the worst possible outcomes results? A few hurt feelings and a lost friend don't seem to measure up, does it?

I can't remember where I read this, so take it with a grain of salt, but I read that all it takes is 1 in 6 people to not give a f*** to perpetuate the spread.

So f*** this guy and his wilful ignorance.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

First, if you haven't already done so, download that live barn footage of him not wearing a mask. Maybe download a bunch of footage. You might need it. In fact, why not show that to the owner of the rink or others in charge. Then if they show it to the douche bag, he'll know he's on video. Maybe that'll make him self-conscious about things.

It's easy to lie about how often you have the mask on or off, but when there's video of it, it makes it harder to BS.

Also, if you let it be known you have proof that rules are being broken, that may pressure the owner and those in charge to take a more forceful hand in dealing with things. Because if something bad happens, and the owner and people in charge didn't do enough, they may get in serious trouble.

As for hurt feeling and awkward situations, I say who gives a f***. Better that than having someone die because of this. If he doesn't want to wear a mask, that's his right. But he has no right to expose others to the consequences of his stupidity.

Think about it this way. It'd be a shame if you're daughter and his can no longer be friends because of this, but what if his actions caused your daughter to get it or you to get it or it spreads to your family and friends through you? And gosh forbid. What if the worst possible outcomes results? A few hurt feelings and a lost friend don't seem to measure up, does it?

I can't remember where I read this, so take it with a grain of salt, but I read that all it takes is 1 in 6 people to not give a f*** to perpetuate the spread.

So f*** this guy and his wilful ignorance.

Just want to clear up that I don’t feel awkward about things when he pouts... he’s a man baby and I have little respect for his actions.

I just feel badly for the team manager who had to talk to this tool... because they were really friendly before this. So now you can feel the awkwardness around those two and it’s ridiculous.

I do have some stills of him I took from LiveBarn just in case I need them as proof should the need arise.

My daughter also plays for an all boys team and my wife was at her practice yesterday. This father actually got brought up by another parent about how ridiculous he is...

He has major issues wearing masks and apparently does a lot of high risk shit that could put us all in jeopardy.

Most of these kids are on two teams and we calculated that if this dad got coronavirus, his daughter would, through not fault of her own, force at least six teams to quarantine.. and that’s just the ones we know off hand.

Ie she doesn’t play on my daughters boys team, but my daughter plays with her on the girls 12u team, which would possibly expose my daughter, who then possibly exposes the boys team.

It’s crazy how reckless and selfish this fool is being. Ironically he’s obsessed with her getting a college scholarship and always yelling at her from the stands...

So you would think he’d do everything possible to keep her safe and the rest of us, so they can keep playing.

 

[its josh]

This guy is friends with all of the parents (his girl has been on the team for a few years).

He and the team manager are really good friends as well. So none of these people will say a damn thing to him...

Ironically, the team manger sent out a memo yesterday to remind the girls to keep their masks on up until they go on the ice.

Then I walk into the rink yesterday evening and see the manager talking to this clown with his mask down as usual. It’s like wtf dude? You warn us about our kids and their mask, but won’t say something to him...?

The coach, again does have his issues with this parent though.

So my wife and I think approaching him to handle the situation may be best...

I’m pretty pissed we even have to deal with this TBTH...

If the entire group of parents has an issue with this, I can't see why one of the other parents hasnt pulled him aside and said the mask wearing is making other parents uncomfortable. To me, this isnt something the coach should be dealing with.

It sounds like you are whining about his political views ( you even mentioned facebook) Personally, we see a lot of parents struggling to breathe wearing the masks in the rink, and occasionally pull them down. And then you have the people that wear them below their nose, etc.
During these times, you are always going to encounter people that dont wear masks. It is your choice to expose your family. That's what it comes down to. If you are uncomfortable with someone not wearing a mask (again, you pointed out one guy, while there are many more that are doing the same thing) then you shouldnt be going there. Even people wearing masks, inside together, are going to be spreading this to each other if they have it.

You are more likely to get exposed from his daughter being around your daughter than him not wearing the mask properly 100% of the time.

 

[Fatass]

If the entire group of parents has an issue with this, I can't see why one of the other parents hasnt pulled him aside and said the mask wearing is making other parents uncomfortable. To me, this isnt something the coach should be dealing with.

It sounds like you are whining about his political views ( you even mentioned facebook) Personally, we see a lot of parents struggling to breathe wearing the masks in the rink, and occasionally pull them down. And then you have the people that wear them below their nose, etc.
During these times, you are always going to encounter people that dont wear masks. It is your choice to expose your family. That's what it comes down to. If you are uncomfortable with someone not wearing a mask (again, you pointed out one guy, while there are many more that are doing the same thing) then you shouldnt be going there. Even people wearing masks, inside together, are going to be spreading this to each other if they have it.

You are more likely to get exposed from his daughter being around your daughter than him not wearing the mask properly 100% of the time.

So it’s the parent’s and children’s fault this one father refuses to be a good person, think of others, not be selfish, and wear a mask?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If the entire group of parents has an issue with this, I can't see why one of the other parents hasnt pulled him aside and said the mask wearing is making other parents uncomfortable. To me, this isnt something the coach should be dealing with.

It sounds like you are whining about his political views ( you even mentioned facebook) Personally, we see a lot of parents struggling to breathe wearing the masks in the rink, and occasionally pull them down. And then you have the people that wear them below their nose, etc.
During these times, you are always going to encounter people that dont wear masks. It is your choice to expose your family. That's what it comes down to. If you are uncomfortable with someone not wearing a mask (again, you pointed out one guy, while there are many more that are doing the same thing) then you shouldnt be going there. Even people wearing masks, inside together, are going to be spreading this to each other if they have it.

You are more likely to get exposed from his daughter being around your daughter than him not wearing the mask properly 100% of the time.

So you are a self-appointed expert on coronavirus then?

Cool.

Ya, I’ll go with the real experts on this one, but thanks for the misinformed feedback I’ll be ignoring.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Personally, we see a lot of parents struggling to breathe wearing the masks in the rink

I haven't seen a single person genuinely struggle to breathe because of their mask. I have heard a ton of people whine about the possibility of struggling to breathe.

We went through 100 degree days with high humidity this summer, there were definitely moments when the masks made things even muggier and more miserable. What do you do when that happens? You pull it away (not up, but horizontally away) from your mouth for 2 seconds, get a breath of fresh air, and put it back in place. It's not hard to negotiate this process.

If someone is actually struggling to breathe, they likely have either a respiratory condition or anxiety problems and probably shouldn't be out of their house in the first place.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

If it is jeopardizing the opportunity of all the girls to keep enjoying the game, then ultimately the coach may have to remove that family from the team.

it's really too bad that based on reading how this has all transpired, if given the choice this guy sounds like he might very well be okay trading his girl getting to play hockey for being an asshat. would hate to be that kid.

 

[its josh]

So it’s the parent’s and children’s fault this one father refuses to be a good person, think of others, not be selfish, and wear a mask?

No, but you are worried about the mask on this guy.

He's more likely to get it from that daughters interacting, and bringing it home.
I got COVID-19 at the rink

Stay away from the guy, or stay away from the rink if its a huge issue. There are ALWAYS going to be people that dont follow the policies. Same with grocery stores, schools, etc. It's an unfortunate aspect of the times.

 

[its josh]

So you are a self-appointed expert on coronavirus then?

Cool.

Ya, I’ll go with the real experts on this one, but thanks for the misinformed feedback I’ll be ignoring.

No, our experts are telling us to stay home.

 

[FerrisRox]

It sounds like you are whining about his political views ( you even mentioned facebook)

What does any of this have to do with politics?

 

[Fatass]

No, but you are worried about the mask on this guy.

He's more likely to get it from that daughters interacting, and bringing it home.
I got COVID-19 at the rink

Stay away from the guy, or stay away from the rink if its a huge issue. There are ALWAYS going to be people that dont follow the policies. Same with grocery stores, schools, etc. It's an unfortunate aspect of the times.

Should we not drive too, because there will be people not following the traffic laws? Society will always have persons who refuse to follow guidelines (laws, rules, orders) in total disregard for the heAlth and safety of others. It’s why we have penalties for those who disregard the safety of others, like traffic fines. This selfish parent should drop his child off, so she can play, and stay in his car or outside.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

No, our experts are telling us to stay home.

That's odd, because USA Hockey has sanctioned these games based on the rules laid out by the health experts in our state.

Are you implying that USA Hockey is ignoring a stay at home order?

Your argument is asinine as hell, sorry.

People don't follow rules, so nothing we can do about it.. right?

If this dad decided to bang on the glass and curse at the refs every game, I shouldn't subject my daughter to that behavior and pull her out of hockey, because uh... hey people break the rules... ?

 

[its josh]

That's odd, because USA Hockey has sanctioned these games based on the rules laid out by the health experts in our state.

Are you implying that USA Hockey is ignoring a stay at home order?

Your argument is asinine as hell, sorry.

People don't follow rules, so nothing we can do about it.. right?

If this dad decided to bang on the glass and curse at the refs every game, I shouldn't subject my daughter to that behavior and pull her out of hockey, because uh... hey people break the rules... ?

Neither of those have anything to do with a pandemic.

Although glass banging can be contagious. If the guy is also a glass banger, you should have stated that at the beginning.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Neither of those have anything to do with a pandemic.

Although glass banging can be contagious. If the guy is also a glass banger, you should have stated that at the beginning.

He isn’t a glass banger... the point went right over your head.

I’ll make it simple...

There is a reason why the rink has rules and people who don’t follow the rules of the rink get banned.

You don’t just shrug your shoulders and say “oh well, some people just break the rules”.

 

[User1996]

I know it’s been addressed on previous pages, but if the organization has assigned a director to your team that’s definitely the route to go.

As a coach myself, I know the organizations I’ve been a part of in the past generally don’t want parental issues coming to the coaching staff. The few exceptions being things that require explanation from staff on (ice-time disputes if that can’t be resolved by the director, for example). A parent disobeying facility rules definitely doesn’t fall under that criteria, and I think sometimes parents overestimate the power we have in certain circumstances. I’d expect if a parental situation like this came to us as a staff we would delegate to the manager or director anyways. Just my two cents, but I genuinely hope it gets solved, as I agree, it’s pretty unacceptable.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Has anyone had to deal with a situation where someone won’t wear a mask properly at your rink and you had to say something?

We are having an issue with one of the fathers on my daughter’s team constantly wearing a mask under his chin... and he’s been asked politely by the rink owners to wear his mask properly, and he acts like it’s a mistake and puts it on... then continues to wear it under his chin when they walk away.

I saw him doing it again at her practice yesterday and I wanted to grab him by the throat and smash his head into the wall.

Obviously that won’t go over well, but he’s been asked numerous times and continues to put my daughter, her teammates, and the other parents at risk.

I used to get along with this guy, but he’s a total anti-masker and makes idiotic comments on his Facebook how we are having our “liberties repressed”.... it’s gotten to the point that the coach of the team and this individual go at it different times.

To complicate matters, his daughter and my daughter are friends... and if I forcefully say something to him, I know it’s going to cause a number of all around problems.

Again, he’s been asked nicely several times to wear his mask properly... I’m not sure what can be done except to confront him myself, but again it’s a catch 22.

Lmao, yeah you sure sound like a tough guy. Sounds like the only thing you're doing is giving this dude passive aggressive looks.

It's even funnier that half the parents don't care and talk with this guy anyways. Just stay your six feet away from buddy and no one gets hurt.

Confront him if you feel so strongly about it. Or don't. Someone near me was killed over a mask dispute.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I know it’s been addressed on previous pages, but if the organization has assigned a director to your team that’s definitely the route to go.

As a coach myself, I know the organizations I’ve been a part of in the past generally don’t want parental issues coming to the coaching staff. The few exceptions being things that require explanation from staff on (ice-time disputes if that can’t be resolved by the director, for example). A parent disobeying facility rules definitely doesn’t fall under that criteria, and I think sometimes parents overestimate the power we have in certain circumstances. I’d expect if a parental situation like this came to us as a staff we would delegate to the manager or director anyways. Just my two cents, but I genuinely hope it gets solved, as I agree, it’s pretty unacceptable.

We know the rink owner and could have went to him or one of his kids, but he’s been warned by them before... so we suspected he would be banned if they caught him doing it again.

We didn’t want his daughter to suffer, so we did our best to ignore it after he was warned a couple of times directly by the owner.

Unfortunately, things in our area have gotten much worse, and hoped he would smarten up.

A couple weeks ago when I walked into the rink he had it all the way under his chin again and I had enough and was about to confront him when my wife stepped in and talked me out of it.

We then contacted the coach and asked his advice on how to handle it without creating a scene.

At that point the coach told us he was also basically tired of this guys BS and would have the team manager talk to him.

Dude is still wearing it down when he thinks no one is looking though... so it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t have any respect for what the rink owner, his children, or the team manager say.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Who cares. Just stay away from him if he doesn't want to wear his mask. It's the rinks problem.

I see more and more horror stories on the news about people confronting anti maskers and unfortunately it ends bad for the person doing the confronting.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Who cares

If you don’t understand why I care, I’m not going to bother to explain the obvious.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Who cares. Just stay away from him if he doesn't want to wear his mask. It's the rinks problem.

I see more and more horror stories on the news about people confronting anti maskers and unfortunately it ends bad for the person doing the confronting.

If public health guidelines aren't followed, then hockey gets shut down. Then the girls don't get to play hockey. That's everybody's problem. The rinks have probably been paid for a little while, but eventually it becomes their problem too. As a hockey parent, I'm not really worried about how they perceive their business outlook with regards to being shut down... I just want my kid to keep being able to enjoy the game.

I mean, I also don't want my kid to get Covid from his kid either. But that's not exactly the first line of concern. People flouting the guidelines is what's going to get the whole thing shut down, rightfully so, and everybody loses in that scenario.

 

[member 300185]

So it’s the parent’s and children’s fault this one father refuses to be a good person, think of others, not be selfish, and wear a mask?

New rule. Free ass kickings for stupid people.

 

[Fatass]

Who cares. Just stay away from him if he doesn't want to wear his mask. It's the rinks problem.

I see more and more horror stories on the news about people confronting anti maskers and unfortunately it ends bad for the person doing the confronting.

So violent confrontation is the answer? The “mob” should attack this guy, and tear him apart? No, this has two layers. First some people refuse to accept responsibility for the safety of others, and will be selfish and childish with their behaviours. Second, and because of the first one, we have rules which order society to keep people safe. Clearly masks wearing needs to be a mandated health order with policing, which is now the law (health order) in BC, so selfish crying adult diaper wearers, who refuse to wear masks, won’t be attacked by the “mob”, but rather will be levied fines.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So violent confrontation is the answer? The “mob” should attack this guy, and tear him apart? No, this has two layers. First some people refuse to accept responsibility for the safety of others, and will be selfish and childish with their behaviours. Second, and because of the first one, we have rules which order society to keep people safe. Clearly masks wearing needs to be a mandated health order with policing, which is now the law (health order) in BC, so selfish crying adult diaper wearers, who refuse to wear masks, won’t be attacked by the “mob”, but rather will be levied fines.

This is exactly why my wife pulled me back because she knew it would get confrontational when I was going over to tell him.

The biggest layer here as I keep pointing out is that we are trying to find a way around not having him banned... as it hurts his daughter.

I know we could easily have him banned because of the repeated warnings and video of him on LiveBarn being a moron.

The owner has now told him, as well as the owners son, and now the team manager... and he’s still being a sneaky asshole and taking it down when he goes into the stands.

So it’s a shitty issue where we have to weigh his daughter getting banned vs him putting everyone at risk.

He’s literally the only person we have been around at this rink not following the rules.

Everyone else gets it, including the kids.