Third out of 200+ players seems to be the opposite of average.
Value of: Parayko
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Take out Robertson or Sandin and add someone elese maybe? or maybe switch the pick to 2nd?
I can agree with the assessment, but the assessment lacks one component...AP. I'm guessing the only reason St L considers trading Parayko is to gain space to pay Alex. It would be a big ask to have 19-20M in cap space tied up on RD (assuming somewhere around 8M for Pietro). The last I heard St L was offering 7.5M/, is this correct? I'd suggest picking up a signed LD at less cost than Parayko and use the savings to bump up the offer to AP...if that's the way they want to go.
I don't think it works esp since NYR has a backlog at RD and does not want to part with Nils L.
But here is a premise; Blues fans in particular pls advise...
THIS IS NOT FINAL.
This is preliminary for groundwork on basis of a deal.
This is not final prop.
Premise:
Rangers will take
- albatross of Faulk's 7 years 6.5 reduced to 4.5 per
- Parayko 5.5 x 2; require permission in adv to negotiate 4 yrs extension which ups his # immediately after the trade
total of 11m, 2 m retained, net 9m going out
Rangers will send out:
- Staal max retained 5.7 = 2.85 expiring [likely waives b'c is buyout candidate]
- Smith 4.35 expiring, most likely ship to the A as emergency reserve call up, but options on further losing his cap hit
- stud LD Lindgren on elc
- something else reasonable we can agree on
tentatively that is ballpark 8m cap the other way.
HOWEVER again, can do things on S + S to recover most of that cap which are not possible with JF + CP
Expectation is
Fox is a keeper he goes to LD
NY rolls w/Para, Trouba, and Nils L as your RD
Rangers retain half on Faulk and ship him out: Leafs?
Or less than half, like reduced to 3.5 possible w/FL for LD Matheson at 4+ saves Panthers 1.5ish x 6 so Rangers include small add + take FL 2020 1st 14OA.?
Is structural cap relief long term to Blues to extend AP worth something along these lines?
Edit: remember, add of Lindgren = facilitates to move Scandella and his 4+ hit while getting value returned.
But here is a premise; Blues fans in particular pls advise...
THIS IS NOT FINAL.
This is preliminary for groundwork on basis of a deal.
This is not final prop.
Premise:
Rangers will take
- albatross of Faulk's 7 years 6.5 reduced to 4.5 per
- Parayko 5.5 x 2; require permission in adv to negotiate 4 yrs extension which ups his # immediately after the trade
total of 11m, 2 m retained, net 9m going out
Rangers will send out:
- Staal max retained 5.7 = 2.85 expiring [likely waives b'c is buyout candidate]
- Smith 4.35 expiring, most likely ship to the A as emergency reserve call up, but options on further losing his cap hit
- stud LD Lindgren on elc
- something else reasonable we can agree on
tentatively that is ballpark 8m cap the other way.
HOWEVER again, can do things on S + S to recover most of that cap which are not possible with JF + CP
Expectation is
Fox is a keeper he goes to LD
NY rolls w/Para, Trouba, and Nils L as your RD
Rangers retain half on Faulk and ship him out: Leafs?
Or less than half, like reduced to 3.5 possible w/FL for LD Matheson at 4+ saves Panthers 1.5ish x 6 so Rangers include small add + take FL 2020 1st 14OA.?
Is structural cap relief long term to Blues to extend AP worth something along these lines?
Edit: remember, add of Lindgren = facilitates to move Scandella and his 4+ hit while getting value returned.
Vektor
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That is beyond horrendous for the Blues.
I stand corrected.
Should have looked that up. It's like 3.25 ish. So either MS is a keeper, or if you flip him you get that much more for him since he is that much cheaper.
thank you for correcting factual error
It could be, but the whole pt is there is huge value in unloading the contract mistake that is Faulk.
So just to be clear, you would rather add max positive return now for CP and not deal w/JF until later? That will be a huge cost.
Not, "it could be"... it is utterly horrendous for the Blues.
Justin Faulk signed long term at $6.5m is highly likely to be difficult to move. Justin Faulk signed long term at $4.5m, which is what you're suggesting, would have quite clear positive value.
Faulk at $4.5m and Parayko with an agreed extension is worth wildly more that 2 cap dumps, a decent defenseman and another smaller piece.
Even ignoring the horrific value, it doesn't make sense for the Blues to move out both Parayko and Faulk.
67Blues
Got it for Bobby
It is a horrible deal, but I'd like to understand your insight.
So the Blue decimate their RD position so that they only have Petro and Bortuzzo on the roster. On the LD side, we already have Dunn(RFA), Scandella, Gunnarson and coming up Mikkola and Perunovich. Then, we add in 3 more LD to the roster so we end up with 2 RD and 8 LD? All while paying $2M a year for 7 years for a Faulk contract he never played 1 second of for the Blues? So is your thought then the Blues turn around and trade their LD for RD?
Even if that was a compelling trade, that is a lot of work on the Blues end with hopes that they can make other deals to shore up what they lost.
quityerwhinin
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Your proposed deal would be a non-starter. Absolutely terrible for St. Louis. Our defense just got waaaay worse. No chance we're paying a premium of Parayko for someone to take Faulk. Zero interest in this deal at all.
Why the offer of bouchard lavoie 14ova beats robertson sabdin 15ova. So why would we subtract from your. Like it's been said toronto just doesn't have what blues need
Bluesnatic27
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I hope that "reasonable" piece is Lafreniere, because I don't see how there could be a "reasonable" piece besides him to make that deal start to make sense.
I’d do Mathews and Dermott for Thomas, Bozak and Paryanko
just wouldn’t want to give up the leafs future for Paryanko although if it went through I’d be happy.
The reason for this post is to shed 5.5 in cap not gain 2. Thomas is not being traded. Lol
Yeah he is but we don't need a center. But no zibby doesn't move the dial for me
Thank you.
Where we disagree is that nobody is taking Faulk -- even reduced -- with that kind of term w/o CP or other signif ++ involved in the equation.
So the thought,
"Justin Faulk signed long term at $4.5m, which is what you're suggesting, would have quite clear positive value." is non sequitur b'c of the term. Yes, there could be some LIMITED interest by a team going all now, but that is unlikely and a real exception again, given the term.
In order to make all that term digestible, first team has to eat 2, a 2nd team has to eat 2.5. THAT is the bottom line at present. 3-4 years from now, signif less term [and presumably a player that much worse for the extra wear and tear], it is totally dif I agree.... but not now.
Again,
this is just an exercise in curiosity.
As I said before,
1. CP not getting dealt Blues have other options.
2. If he were, deal to OTT is your best bet, exact return depends on if CP extends or not.
As noted, this is an exercise in curiosity.
Premise is that as alternative to just seeing what is best return for Para --- which btw is where the OP went so understand this is courtesy to his OP that assume CP MUST be moved --- as an alt., dumping Faulk could be a workaround.
Values/projections based on that Faulk is toxic: declining, aging, crazy term.
ZERO interest in taking on w/out signif retention and shockingly, little appreciation for my taking on only 2m, not half retention.
Overlooked is Lindgren added, his elc helps as well.
It was about balancing $ to keep AP more than balancing talent/complementary LD-RD balance.
that's where I was coming from
Again, CP not getting dealt, if he were now, if OTT put up 5OA + for CP +, that would be the way to go.
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