LeBrun: Panthers working hard to trade Reimer

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TheImpatientPanther

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Thanks for your thoughts, much appreciated.

Interesting that Colorado and Florida literally just struck a deal as I posted that, even if it's an AHL level trade. Seems Sakic and Tallon are talking...

Would additional draft picks (including COL 2020 1st), prospects, or even 100% retention on Barrie for a season make it work? Presumably Barrie would be extended too (though I appreciate he might not be the ideal stylistic fit given what you said).

Regarding Huberdeau, I agree he's more of a LW, but for the purpose of my post I put him at C, though I'm sure he'd probably play at LW with one of Jost/Kerfoot/Compher doing a decent enouch job as 2C in between wingers like Huberdeau and Burakovsky.

Some COL fans will remember laughing at me when they asked what it'd take to get Huberdeau, my answer was Makar and that hasn't changed. I don't think those same COL fans would be laughing as hard now since Huberdeau just had a brilliant year. Not penciling Huberdeau in for another guaranteed 90+pt season but also feel he's a lock to be a PPG player for the duration of his contract. Now if I was COL, I wouldn't do the Makar for Huberdeau deal but that gives you an idea of how much he means to FLA. He's only being moved for a top 4 RD with term like a Pesce or a young budding star like Makar. If Huberdeau played C, it may sway some COL fans but I also know how much you guys covet his game/positional value/upside.

Barrie isn't really of any use to us, he isn't a defensive specialist and is due a huge contract where Huberdeau is locked up for 4 more years at $5.9 million.
The guy that would be available if we sign Panarin, is Mike Hoffman and that'd be closer in value to Barrie imo. Maybe FLA adds a pick/prospect but just feel it's highly unlikely Tallon trades our 2nd best forward currently, to unload Reimer.

You can't retain 100% of a deal, max is 50%
 
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Richard88

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That’s some sort of humor to think huberdeau and Trocheck are interchangeable.

The Panthers could trade Reimer with Huberdeau for Barrie and I would still expect a huge add coming back.
As you said they're not interchangeable. That's why my proposal for Barrie/Huberdeau included a heavy retention, and Barrie/Trocheck included a 3rd. Granted, the difference between the two may be greater than that, hence I also said "and adding picks as necessary on either side". My suggestion was just a basis for a deal, feel free to make additions if you'd like to suggest something more suitable. :)
 
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Richard88

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Some COL fans will remember laughing at me when they asked what it'd take to get Huberdeau, my answer was Makar and that hasn't changed. I don't think those same COL fans would be laughing as hard now since Huberdeau just had a brilliant year. Not penciling Huberdeau in for another guaranteed 90+pt season but also feel he's a lock to be a PPG player for the duration of his contract. Now if I was COL, I wouldn't do the Makar for Huberdeau deal but that gives you an idea of how much he means to FLA. He's only being moved for a top 4 RD with term like a Pesce or a young budding star like Makar. If Huberdeau played C, it may sway some COL fans but I also know how much you guys covet his game/positional value/upside.

Barrie isn't really of any use to us, he isn't a defensive specialist and is due a huge contract where Huberdeau is locked up for 4 more years at $5.9 million.
The guy that would be available if we sign Panarin, is Mike Hoffman and that'd be closer in value to Barrie imo. Maybe FLA adds a pick/prospect but just feel it's highly unlikely Tallon trades our 2nd best forward currently, to unload Reimer.

You can't retain 100% of a deal, max is 50%
Thanks again for your logical thoughts, much appreciated.

Looking at Reimer specifically, what sort of add do you think Florida would need to make that would be reasonable for Colorado? Does the proposal below by @AslanRH seem reasonable to you?

Barrie aside I still think it makes sense for Sakic to consider acquiring Reimer to fill that AHL starter spot and use the capspace, if only to reacquire picks used for Burakowsky.

Reimer + FLA 2020 2nd + COL 2020 3rd for Cannauton/Barberio (either 50 % retained)

That's an interesting idea. It feels a bit in FLA's favour due to how valuable capspace is and because of the fact that they'd be getting a serviceable NHL defenseman to boot, but I do like the idea and I think it would nicely round out this weeks trades for Colorado.

Looking at what that would look like in the bigger picture:

Soderberg <-------> 3rd + Connauton
2nd + 3rd <------> Burakovsky
Connauton <------> Reimer + 2nd + 3rd​

That's effectively:

Soderberg <-----> Burakovsky + Reimer + 3rd​

Effectively exchanging 1 year of Soderberg (UFA 2020) for Burakovsky (who is 10 years younger) would be a shrewd move, and would basically only cost capspace for Reimer while also gaining a 2020 3rd (along with exchanging COL 2020 2nd for FLA 2020 2nd which is likely a minor gain for Avs).

Moreover, Colorado needs an NHL-capable/veteran goaltender to start in the AHL while Adam Werner settles, and to cover the possibility that Francouz might struggle as backup to Grubauer, so Reimer might be a decent solution to fill that role, even if he's expensive.

This trade for Reimer would also allow Sakic to get back to a full set of 2020 picks (albeit FLA's 2020 2nd instead of COL 2020 2nd). Needless to say, this would be a great way to weaponise capspace, just as with Grubauer last year, to recoup picks while also filling a need.

That said, I do wonder if Sakic would feel comfortable trading the depth defenseman he's gained this week though (i.e. Connauton), given that Connauton is basically the insurance while Cole and Johnson are out, unless of course Byram and/or Timmins are deemed to be ready for at least a few games in October.

With Connauton traded this is what the Avs would be rolling with on opening night (assuming Barrie is still there):

Girard Makar
Zadorov Barrie
Barberio Graves
--------------------------
Byram Timmins
(IR: Cole, Johnson)​
 
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TheImpatientPanther

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Thanks again for your logical thoughts, much appreciated.

Looking at Reimer specifically, what sort of add do you think Florida would need to make that would be reasonable for Colorado? Does the proposal below by @AslanRH seem reasonable to you?

Barrie aside I still think it makes sense for Sakic to consider acquiring Reimer to fill that AHL starter spot and use the capspace, if only to reacquire picks used for Burakowsky.

Ya something similar to AsianRH's proposal but would prefer the picks to be in offsetting years, they also posted one of 13th + Reimer for 16th before the draft and most FLA and COL fans liked the deal.
I feel the more we retain on Reimer, maybe drops it to a 2020 3rd + 2021 3rd type deal.
 
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With every team in cap trouble and the urge for florida to add Bob and possibly panarin, they would clearly need to add their first.

i would do
Reimer + 1st 2020 (top10 protected)

for either Lindgren (if they feel they need a backup) or a mid round pick ( if they want the most cap relief)
 

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As you said they're not interchangeable. That's why my proposal for Barrie/Huberdeau included a heavy retention, and Barrie/Trocheck included a 3rd. Granted, the difference between the two may be greater than that, hence I also said "and adding picks as necessary on either side". My suggestion was just a basis for a deal, feel free to make additions if you'd like to suggest something more suitable. :)

Heavy retention? You mean 3% of the cap. 2.75 million is not heavy retention, especially on a contract that isn’t long-term. Huberdeau topped 90 points last year. You’re pretty much saying that the difference between Huby and Tro is what...? A 3rd and 3% of the cap.

Why is trading a 90 point player on a great contract any interest to the Panthers? Start adding a first and a prospect and we are still saying no.
 

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With every team in cap trouble and the urge for florida to add Bob and possibly panarin, they would clearly need to add their first.

i would do
Reimer + 1st 2020 (top10 protected)

for either Lindgren (if they feel they need a backup) or a mid round pick ( if they want the most cap relief)


A first round pick.... That’s hilarious
 

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With every team in cap trouble and the urge for florida to add Bob and possibly panarin, they would clearly need to add their first.

i would do
Reimer + 1st 2020 (top10 protected)

for either Lindgren (if they feel they need a backup) or a mid round pick ( if they want the most cap relief)

Or just buy him out and keep the 1st?
 

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A first round pick.... That’s hilarious
Marleau was traded with a 1st and while reimer being cheaper, Marleau had 1 year left and is still a very effective player. If Florida are able to grab both Bob and Breadman and they need to relieve cap, no one will make them a favor. They want to compete now and they will move their 1st with protection, i have no doubt about it.
 

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GMs will wait for Bobrov to sign there then ask for a 1st with Reimer. If Tallon refuses he will most likely go f*** himself.
 

TheImpatientPanther

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GMs will wait for Bobrov to sign there then ask for a 1st with Reimer. If Tallon refuses he will most likely go **** himself.

No he won't, he will tell Reimer to head to AHL for the year and then buy him out next year. It still saves us a million on the cap. We can still move Pysyk and be around $26-28 million. More than enough for Bob, Breadman and our RFAs
 

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I can still see the Avs being open to taking on Reimer after free agency shakes out. I don't see them making this trade before the Panarin sweepstakes are concluded since they're both reported to be in the running.
 
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Marleau was traded with a 1st and while reimer being cheaper, Marleau had 1 year left and is still a very effective player. If Florida are able to grab both Bob and Breadman and they need to relieve cap, no one will make them a favor. They want to compete now and they will move their 1st with protection, i have no doubt about it.

The Leafs were clearly in a completely different and far more desperate situation then we are.

We’ll buy him out before sending a first out. You do know that Dale Tallon is our GM, remember the last time he traded a first ? I sure don’t. Tallon loves his picks like a kid loves his boogers.
 

Richard88

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Heavy retention? You mean 3% of the cap. 2.75 million is not heavy retention, especially on a contract that isn’t long-term. Huberdeau topped 90 points last year. You’re pretty much saying that the difference between Huby and Tro is what...? A 3rd and 3% of the cap.

No, what I said was:

As you said they're not interchangeable. That's why my proposal for Barrie/Huberdeau included a heavy retention, and Barrie/Trocheck included a 3rd. Granted, the difference between the two may be greater than that, hence I also said "and adding picks as necessary on either side". My suggestion was just a basis for a deal, feel free to make additions if you'd like to suggest something more suitable. :)

As for "heavy retention", what I meant was the maximum allowable retention (50%). $2.75m is hardly insignificant, exemplified by how hard Florida are trying to get out of Reimer's cap hit at around that amount.

Huberdeau aside, what do you think a reasonable return would be for Trocheck, involving Barrie? Feel free to make suggestions with and without Reimer.
 
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Marleau was traded with a 1st and while reimer being cheaper, Marleau had 1 year left and is still a very effective player. If Florida are able to grab both Bob and Breadman and they need to relieve cap, no one will make them a favor. They want to compete now and they will move their 1st with protection, i have no doubt about it.


This didn’t age well ... lol ... all the best friend
 

IceManCat

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you took Darling's contract back... it's like keeping reimer at 50% off but for 2 extra year...


Yeah like I said in my post we are going to buy him out before giving up a first, essentially we made a lateral move for Darling whom has a lower cap hit in year two after the buyout. No first was traded which was the main point from your post yesterday. Remember you had “no doubt about it”.
 

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Yeah like I said in my post we are going to buy him out before giving up a first, essentially we made a lateral move for Darling whom has a lower cap hit in year two after the buyout. No first was traded which was the main point from your post yesterday. Remember you had “no doubt about it”.

yes i had no doubt about Florida having to give a 1st to not take any salary back. wich they didn't.
 
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