Proposal: Palmieri to Pittsburgh

[Dipsy Doodle]

What would it reasonably take?

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[BinCookin]

What would it reasonably take?

I mean which of your forwards would you move for Palmieri...


Rust/Lafferty/Kahun + Pick.

I am not a fan of either team, but Palmieri seems like a quality piece....
If I am NJ, I re-sign him, not trade him. So you better offer someone young and quality to pry Palmieri out of there. Or a 1st round pick id think at minimum.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Realistically, the ask is probably Dumoulin.

 

[Gurglesons]

Realistically, the ask is probably Dumoulin.

I know this is one of those Penguins fans overrating a player, but Dumoulin would honestly go for Hischer or Hall (signed) not Palms.

You could maybe argue Pettersson for Palms, but even then.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Realistically, the ask is probably Dumoulin.

That's not really a realistic ask, though, because that's pretty much a non-starter for the Pens.

Now, I get "give quality to get quality", but you also have to factor in what the team who is loading up would reasonably be willing to part with in order to add for a deep playoff run. Moving their best defensive defenseman and 20+ minute shutdown defenseman seems to go against the entire reason for adding Palmieri.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Kyle Palmieri is a top-15 RW in his prime signed for one more year at a great cap hit. If you're not giving up Dumoulin then just lock the thread and save the board some bandwidth.

 

[wej20]

Probably a difficult get as he signed for one more season at a great price.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Kyle Palmieri is a top-15 RW in his prime signed for one more year at a great cap hit. If you're not giving up Dumoulin then just lock the thread and save the board some bandwidth.

I obviously like Palmieri, but that is more than a little dubious.

 

[Classic Devil]

That's not really a realistic ask, though, because that's pretty much a non-starter for the Pens.

Now, I get "give quality to get quality", but you also have to factor in what the team who is loading up would reasonably be willing to part with in order to add for a deep playoff run. Moving their best defensive defenseman and 20+ minute shutdown defenseman seems to go against the entire reason for adding Palmieri.

And you need to factor into the concerns of the team trading its best goal-scoring winger, a native son of the state, and who is not a pending UFA.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's not really a realistic ask, though, because that's pretty much a non-starter for the Pens.

Now, I get "give quality to get quality", but you also have to factor in what the team who is loading up would reasonably be willing to part with in order to add for a deep playoff run. Moving their best defensive defenseman and 20+ minute shutdown defenseman seems to go against the entire reason for adding Palmieri.

I don't think the Devils have to consider the Penguins needs at all.

But they ought to consider whether the Devils will be competitive over the next couple years, and whether Palmieri is worth hanging onto vs. the futures they could land to help them when their core pieces are ready to contend.

 

[goonybird]

you're only going to get a bag of trash for Palmieri in a year, so here's a bag of trash *now*

 

[Devilinlillinois]

I know this is one of those Penguins fans overrating a player, but Dumoulin would honestly go for Hischer or Hall (signed) not Palms.

You could maybe argue Pettersson for Palms, but even then.

Yikes no way would Dumoulin fetch a signed Hischer or Hall

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

you're only going to get a bag of trash for Palmieri in a year, so here's a bag of trash *now*

Who's offering a bag of trash?

 

[Gurglesons]

Yikes no way would Dumoulin fetch a signed Hischer or Hall

Probably not one for one, but a top pairing D who is basically on a sweet heart deal and has two cup rings playing top four minutes (including one as our de facto # 1) is certainly not going for a 50 pt wing who has never broken 20 ES goals.

Also, you got Hall for a worse version of Dumo.. So, weird flex.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I obviously like Palmieri, but that is more than a little dubious.

because NHL.com is dumb it lists Palmieri as a C.

But, the list of listed RW’s that have outscored Palmieri since he was traded to the Devils is pretty small.

Kane
Kucherov
Wheeler
Giroux
Tarasenko
Pastrnak
Voracek
Stone
Atkinson
Oshie
Rakell
Rantanen
Smith (by 1 point)

Palmieri in my opinion definitely belongs in that 10-15 range.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Probably not one for one, but a top pairing D who is basically on a sweet heart deal and has two cup rings playing top four minutes (including one as our de facto # 1) is certainly not going for a 50 pt wing who has never broken 20 ES goals.

Also, you got Hall for a worse version of Dumo.. So, weird flex.

Just because Chiarelli is a dumb*** doesnt justify it

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Teams haven't looked to make a hockey trade for a player that close to free agency. There's too much risk involved when the player will walk in < 2 years or have to be signed to a UFA-priced contract as they exit their 20s. The Barrie trade was an outlier historically.

If the Devils make him available, the league will offer a futures-package. Different position, but the Muzzin trade is a template. That was a 1st and a couple B grade prospects. Maybe swap out the two prospects for a young bottom 6 forward or bottom pairing defenseman and a filler piece.

The important questions are will the Devils put him on the block later in the season and if Shero would be adverse to trading within the division?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Probably not one for one, but a top pairing D who is basically on a sweet heart deal and has two cup rings playing top four minutes (including one as our de facto # 1) is certainly not going for a 50 pt wing who has never broken 20 ES goals.

Also, you got Hall for a worse version of Dumo.. So, weird flex.

You got Pettersson for an AHL F, so therefor if NJ offers you a player better than Sprong that means it would be weird for you to say it's not fair?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

because NHL.com is dumb it lists Palmieri as a C.

But, the list of listed RW’s that have outscored Palmieri since he was traded to the Devils is pretty small.

Kane
Kucherov
Wheeler
Giroux
Tarasenko
Pastrnak
Voracek
Stone
Atkinson
Oshie
Rakell
Rantanen
Smith (by 1 point)

Palmieri in my opinion definitely belongs in that 10-15 range.

I don't think scoring over a 5 year period is necessarily the best indication of who the best player at a given position is right now.

Is Palmieri better than guys like Boeser, Laine, and DeBrincat...even Svechnikov? Doubtful.

 

[Gurglesons]

You got Pettersson for an AHL F, so therefor if NJ offers you a player better than Sprong that means it would be weird for you to say it's not fair?

Dumoulin has been a top pairing D for four years and killing it. He is signed for less than 4.5 for years.

His value is closer to a Hischer or Hall then a Palms and I love Palms. Cornerstone top pairing D aren’t moved for dime a dozen RW wingers who put up big points on bad teams and are third line wingers on good teams.

Palms ES production is similar to what he was doing in Anaheim. He just is on the Devils 1st PP now.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Dumoulin has been a top pairing D for four years and killing it. He is signed for less than 4.5 for years.

His value is closer to a Hischer or Hall then a Palms and I love Palms. Cornerstone top pairing D aren’t moved for dime a dozen RW wingers who put up big points on bad teams and are third line wingers on good teams.

That's a totally separate argument than bringing up an irrelevant trade from several years ago.

It's still a bad take, but at least it has to do with the actual subject.

 

[Gurglesons]

That's a totally separate argument than bringing up an irrelevant trade from several years ago.

It's still a bad take, but at least it has to do with the actual subject.

Dumo for Hall was brought up.

I am bringing up what Hall was moved for last time. Not really sure how that is irrelevant....

 

[Dr Quincy]

Dumo for Hall was brought up.

I am bringing up what Hall was moved for last time. Not really sure how that is irrelevant....

Because a trade from a few years ago involving different teams, with different needs, with players being different now from what they were then is..... irrelevant.

Unless you think Marcus Pettersson's current value is Daniel Sprong. And McCann and Bjugstad's value is Derrick Brassard.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Dumo

which means it won't happen.

No other reason for NJ to move Palmieri, especially to a divisional rival

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

I know this is one of those Penguins fans overrating a player, but Dumoulin would honestly go for Hischer or Hall (signed) not Palms.

You could maybe argue Pettersson for Palms, but even then.

That much is clear.