I'm torn. I really wish Toronto would have kept Stalberg but, like many others, I'm a big fan of Leivo's as well.
Package 1: Viktor Stålberg+ vs Package 2: Kris Versteeg+ vs Package 3: Stuart Percy+
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Mess
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How exactly is Stalberg capable of playing in a top 6 role in Chicago, (who are the best team in the league), yet the belief is he would only be a 4th liner on the Leafs? The only reason Stalberg doesn't have more points is because he doesn't get PP TOI/g, due to Chicago's talent level.
Your theory implies that the Leafs have better forwards than Chicago, because Stalberg would play less as he would appear lower on the Leafs depth chart than he does in Chicago.
In order for Toronto to come anywhere close to balancing out this trade is if Percy and Levio are capable NHLers outperforming Tlusty and Stalberg (among the cost to obtain them). Seems like a tall order based on the bar their competition is establishing.
BonMorrison
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For everyone saying that Stalberg plays top six in Chicago, you're wrong. He played there last year (and set career highs) but this year, he is on the 3rd line.
Saad - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Bolland - Kane
Stalberg - Shaw - Bickell
Mayers - Kruger - Frolik
Saad - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Bolland - Kane
Stalberg - Shaw - Bickell
Mayers - Kruger - Frolik
Pierre Gotye
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Why is this being discussed? You can't change history, you have to accept what you have.
Versteeg never fit in here. And Sweatt chose not to come here.
As for Stalberg, he was just another young speedy winger, who lacked the physical elements we needed. He's blossomed in Chicago because of the team depth they have, and the types of Centers he's playing with(which Toronto doesn't have).
Dido and Paradis won't be much as NHL players. Paradis probably won't ever be an NHL player.
Versteeg never fit in here. And Sweatt chose not to come here.
As for Stalberg, he was just another young speedy winger, who lacked the physical elements we needed. He's blossomed in Chicago because of the team depth they have, and the types of Centers he's playing with(which Toronto doesn't have).
Dido and Paradis won't be much as NHL players. Paradis probably won't ever be an NHL player.
Option 3 of the picks.
Stalberg is a 3rd liner who just gets to play with elite talents. I'd take Kulemin, Frattin and even Komarov and CMac all over him so he wouldn't be an upgrade.
Versteeg was a terrible fit. He has some very good attributes but just didn't work out for us. Lupul came in as his replacement so I'm happy we got rid of him and freed up cap space in the process.
The draft picks which turned into Percy/Leivo might not become anything but such is the nature of picks. We might not have got them right this time (only time will tell) but such is the nature of drafting after the first 5-10 picks and next time maybe we'll hit a homerun with picks we get if we trade CMac and Liles.
Stalberg is a 3rd liner who just gets to play with elite talents. I'd take Kulemin, Frattin and even Komarov and CMac all over him so he wouldn't be an upgrade.
Versteeg was a terrible fit. He has some very good attributes but just didn't work out for us. Lupul came in as his replacement so I'm happy we got rid of him and freed up cap space in the process.
The draft picks which turned into Percy/Leivo might not become anything but such is the nature of picks. We might not have got them right this time (only time will tell) but such is the nature of drafting after the first 5-10 picks and next time maybe we'll hit a homerun with picks we get if we trade CMac and Liles.
Hero
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Stalberg wouldn't be getting minutes on this team right now. He's found a good spot in Chicago. A lot like Dupuis has in Pittsburgh.
disagree with the bolded, percy and leivo will be good players, i am guessing u dont know them
Mess
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Bozak and Stalberg were good friends and had chemistry together on the ice. The were even dubbed the Frat Pack.
We will never know how that might have panned out in Toronto as Bozak is better today than when he first arrived also.
ULF_55
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If they kept Stalberg and Tlusty perhaps they would have addressed the 1st. line center role, rather than address a problem on wing they didn't have?
Let's hope they get 2 NHL players for the 2 NHL players they traded right now the 2 NHL players were traded for hope.
achtungbaby
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This calls for the famous "can I get the lottery numbers?" line. Are you saying you know them personally or something?
Mess
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Well for what its worth ..
The Hockey News - "Future Watch" ranked the Leafs prospect pool better when Stalberg and Tlusty (22nd overall) were a part of it, than they did recently (25th ranked) with Percy and Leivo amongst it.
Their prognostications for VS and JT seem to be proving out correctly, as both are NHL contributing regulars, so we'll have to wait and see what SP and JL are able to perform up to in the future.
Both are just okay prospects at this time.
With the failure rate of prospects being very high for every organization I'm not getting excited about either of them at this point. Just like I didn't get excited about guys like Earl, Stefanovich, Vorobiev or more recently Ashton/Domingo.
Prospects that fall below the 7.5 C range are really hit or miss but I'm glad we added two in Percy and Leivo to give us more prospects that could potentially be something down the road. It's all about quantity with prospects at that level then being very patient.
HockeyThoughts
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MakeTheIronSing
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I don't really know what Leivo's ceiling could be. In a very good way I mean.
Percy could become another Jake Gardiner, that's what he reminds me of.
If Im right on both counts, or even just one, package 3 is certainly nothing to scoff at.
And to be fair, Stalberg is playing on a hockey team that hasnt lost a 60 minute game of hockey halfway through the season. He looks good because, well, they all look good quite frankly, teams always look better when theyre winning
Percy could become another Jake Gardiner, that's what he reminds me of.
If Im right on both counts, or even just one, package 3 is certainly nothing to scoff at.
And to be fair, Stalberg is playing on a hockey team that hasnt lost a 60 minute game of hockey halfway through the season. He looks good because, well, they all look good quite frankly, teams always look better when theyre winning
Eyedea
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7.5 C may also be considered hit or miss for some. Once Blacker made the jump to pro hockey we've seen his weaknesses more clearly and now have a struggling D-man who will take a longer time to develop.
Percy is more of a safe, steady defenseman. I don't see him becoming a risky player with fluid skating like Gardiner, although his skating isn't bad. I think max potential he can be a Giordano or Vlasic.
As for Stalberg, he looked great last year too. 20-20 player and had pretty good chemistry with Toews in the short amount of time they played together. His speed would be a nice combination with Kadri, probably better than CMac at both ends of the ice too.
I'm not a big fan of having Stalberg in a top 6, nor am I a fan of him being in a bottom 6 role. IMO he's not offensively skilled enough to be in a top 6, and he's not physical enough, or doesn't bring enough intangibles to be in the bottom 6.
Very happy he's not in our top 6. Much prefer the wingers we currently have on our roster to him.
Very happy he's not in our top 6. Much prefer the wingers we currently have on our roster to him.
Bomber0104
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Can you or Mess add a poll please
Don't think a poll is really necessary considering how much of a landslide this should be for Stalberg and Tlusty.
That's right. Right now it's as if we had Jiri and Victor on our roster and owned the rights to Dido. Would you trade them to Philly for Percy and Leivo today? Tough call but I think that I would say yes.
So wait...
If they STILL didn't have a problem at wing maybe they wouldn't have addressed the problem at wing that they didn't have? Huh?
The got JVR because Burke had the opportunity to get a player like JVR regardless of position.
Tlusti may or may not have found chemistry with a line here like he has down in Car and I think that what we are seeing in Stalberg is what Chi is going to get out of him. We have roster players in our top nine that ave filled those roles. Ok, maybe Tsusty could be that sixth winger right now and maybe Stalberg could be our ninth but aren't these the exact type of players that we want to trade away to get better?
