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Rumor: Pacioretty to NYI, ROR to MTL almost happened
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Evander Kane never produced without Eichel or ROR. Pacioretty produced with anyone.
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Pacioretty did not produce with anyone. He didn't produce last year. And, the year before he didn't produce at all until they took Radulov off of Galchenyuk's line and put him with Pacioretty. Also, playing with Desharnais and Cole or Desharnais and Vanek were good players to play with.
Bottom line, a big part of his game is speed and that is bound to go by the time he's 33, if it hasn't already.
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Last year was 1 bad year. Every player has them. He produced with Danault, Desharnais, Plekanec...etc. Kane never produced with the type of players Pacioretty plays with consistently.
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Saying he produced with Danault is misleading. He produced with Radulov is more like it. Also, he produced with Plekanec when Plekanec was still effective and Gallagher was on the other wing. Same thing with Desharnais - Radulov, Gallagher, and Vanek before his decline were on the other wings.
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Centers are far more impactful than wingers, and Pacioretty never had a top 6 center for even half a season. This isn't even my point. Kane hasn't gotten anywhere near Pacioretty stats despite play with significantly better centers.
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my feeling is that Patch produces with good puck-moving defensemen rather than good forward linemates. I don't think of him as a 30-goal scorer with a defense where its best puck mover is Jeff Petry.
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Wingers like Radulov do the play driving that centers do. It doesn't matter what position he plays. Desharnais was a great playmaker back in the day. But we're not back in the day, we're not talking about what players did in the past. There's no question Pacioretty has done more in the past. We're trying to predict who will do more in the future. I don't see much in Pacioretty beyond 33 and it's even questionable what he'll do moving forward in the faster NHL and now that he's older.
If Pacioretty can produce with anyone why couldn't he produce last year or the year before before Radulov was on his line? Was he playing so well last year but just didn't get the bounces? Or did he float around and do nothing?
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Except Subban has actually produced more than Weber despite being younger while Kane has never gotten close to Pacioretty...
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I agree Radulov plays like a center, but aside from him nobody did. He is also turning 30 and not 40 btw. Like I said, he had 1 bad year, aside from that he has always been producing...
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Again a false statment. Kane out produced Pacioretty last year. And the year before, Kane was on pace for 33 goals playing with 20 year old Eichel, when he wasn't hurt. Pacioretty had 35 playing with Radulov and Danault.
But ultimately, Kane is 3 years younger. Pacioretty is exiting his prime, Kane is in the middle. I'd take Kane over Pacioretty, based on age, not past production.
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I wonder if Bergevin is trying to do a deal around Petry for ROR. That would explain why we we are interested in voynov despite being stacked on the right side.
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Your argument is really bad. I don't know why you keep ignoring what I'm writing, but for the millionth time, Pacioretty had a bad year last year but has produced besides that.
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Your argument is horrendous and you're ignoring facts and making false statements like "Kane has never gotten close to Pacioretty" when in FACT he out produced him last year and the year before was on pace for 2 goals less.
When you sign someone to a contract, you're signing them for what you expect them to do in the future. Who do expect to produce more 35,36 year old Pacioretty or 32,33 year old Kane?
Simple question: why did Pacioretty have a bad year last year and why wasn't he able to produce the year before before Radulov was transfered to his line?
I agree that 6x6 is pretty insulting for a goal scorer like Patches who's also one of the best 2 way wingers in the game.
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In no world which is why it didn't happen. Montreal was looking to trade Pacioretty for another 1st then use that to get ROR.
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What facts have I ignored? It's not my fault you can't read what I said for the past posts and it is 100% true that Kane has never gotten close to Pacioretty besides last year.
The biggest problem with Pacioretty is that he's a completely useless player on the PP, he excels primarily at ES. How much is a ES defensive/possession goal scoring winger worth?
Who's the comparable?
Who's the comparable?
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