Value of: P.K. Subban in the off-season

[yababy]

Roman Josi is and has been a much better player than Subban in a lot of aspects aside from maybe hitting and one timers. PK is certainly a good player but I think people really overlook how good Josi is.

Josi is horrible in the post season. Subban is light years better defensively

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

I don't believe he is clearly a top 5 rhd but I do agree that he is in the conversation. The off-ice value is definitely a factor. The contract can be a good or a bad thing. He will be 30 going in to next season and it has to be taken in to account how much longer he can remain effective. P.K. plays a heavy game and it might wear him down fast.

He's one of those guys that every single team would want regardless of mentality of play. His stats are great, advanced stats are really great, and plays a heavy physical game while being good defensively. To go along with the off ice factor I'd say he carries really high value in this offseason.

Does he not have a NMC?

 

[Flgatorguy87]

He's one of those guys that every single team would want regardless of mentality of play. His stats are great, advanced stats are really great, and plays a heavy physical game while being good defensively. To go along with the off ice factor I'd say he carries really high value in this offseason.

Does he not have a NMC?

David Poile doesn't give NMC's

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

David Poile doesn't give NMC's

Montreal signed him. I swear he was traded a few days before his NMC kicked in?

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Montreal signed him. I swear he was traded a few days before his NMC kicked in?

Correct, but Poile wouldn't honor it.

Poile has given a VERY select few of modified NMC's to guys like Rinne, but he is a stingy one.

EDIT: According to the CBA “if a player is traded or claimed on waivers prior to the no-trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring club. An acquiring club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the player, central registry and the NHLPA.”

 

[Baksfamous112]

Kadri + Lilj + ? For Subban

I just don’t think Toronto has the cap space to take on Subban unless Marner or Matthews is traded. Hell, even Nylander wouldn’t be enough cap wise.

Montreal signed him. I swear he was traded a few days before his NMC kicked in?

Yes he was and Nashville had the choice to honor it or not and they didn’t

 

[rosscow]

Kadri + Lilj + ? For Subban

Kadri, Marleau and Lilj would work both cap wise and value.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Canucks.

Benning is known to be a fan + they have the need.

2019 1st + Madden + Tanev?

If we don't get one of the first 2 picks I can see Canucks doing the first and Madden but not Tanev to that's too much. A top 5 pick and Madden would be suffice and I'd do it from Vancouver perspective if we can't get Hughes or Kaapo.

 

[Homesick]

If the Oilers could clear up cap I would offer their first +. The + would depend on where exactly it lands

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

I think something around Damon Severson can be enticing for the Preds. They would get a younger d-man on a cap friendly deal and unload about 5M$ off their cap and Severson would look real solid behind the cast in Nashville compared to the one in NJ.

The Devils would get an upgrade on the blueline, which would slide Vatanen to a more suited role on our 2nd pair and would also give us two solid options on our PP.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I think something around Damon Severson can be enticing for the Preds. They would get a younger d-man on a cap friendly deal and unload about 5M$ off their cap and Severson would look real solid behind the cast in Nashville compared to the one in NJ.

The Devils would get an upgrade on the blueline, which would slide Vatanen to a more suited role on our 2nd pair and would also give us two solid options on our PP.

We theoretically have Fabbro capable of coming in to play the #4. Young forward should be the focal point of the deal, not another d-man. If not, just keep the better d-man in Subban or Ellis (cap is not the factor the OP made it out to be).

 

[BleedBlue14]

Josi is horrible in the post season. Subban is light years better defensively

I mean outside of last year and 14-15 Josi was pretty darn good in the post season. I really don’t think Subban is that great defensively to be honest with you. He is good at hitting but with extended viewing I’m not a huge fan of his positioning. I can’t say anything bad about the guy in the sense of the way he is used on the powerplay and how it fits to his strengths.

 

[yababy]

I mean outside of last year and 14-15 Josi was pretty darn good in the post season. I really don’t think Subban is that great defensively to be honest with you. He is good at hitting but with extended viewing I’m not a huge fan of his positioning. I can’t say anything bad about the guy in the sense of the way he is used on the powerplay and how it fits to his strengths.

you should pay attn to the matchups. Subban gets all the tough minutes against the opponents top line. Josi paring gets easy minutes. This is why Josi folds in the playoffs - there are no easy minutes in the post season

 

[LucicAndChong]

Kadri, Marleau and Lilj would work both cap wise and value.

I would 100% be willing, but I think Nash would have to add a C, who is their 3C now?

 

[Mackiaveli]

P.K. is currently 29 years old, has a cap hit of 9 million dollars and is signed through the 21/22 season.

If you let us fire Bergevin to the moon, I'd happily take PK off your hands again.

 

[Draiskull]

If the Oilers could clear up cap I would offer their first +. The + would depend on where exactly it lands

It would probably take 1st (~5th overall) + Larsson + Puljujarvi

 

[The Great Weal]

I agree I don't see PK suit up for the Preds next season if we get Duchene extended. Josi is going to get a hefty raise. I could see PK at the draft for someones 1st and a prospect

Wouldn't the Preds trade Turris or Bonino instead if they get Duchene?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It would probably take 1st (~5th overall) + Larsson + Puljujarvi

That deal looks pretty attractive...

 

[Soundgarden]

It would probably take 1st (~5th overall) + Larsson + Puljujarvi

I was actually thinking something similar.

Wouldn't the Preds trade Turris or Bonino instead if they get Duchene?

Why not both?

 

[BatVader]

PK Subban in the off-season....

Rough life

 

[The Great Weal]

I was actually thinking something similar.



Why not both?

Both would work too but I think they can manage to resign Josi with just one. Trading Subban instead seems odd.

 

[Homesick]

It would probably take 1st (~5th overall) + Larsson + Puljujarvi

Not sure if I would include Larsson(or if the Preds want him with Josi/Ellis playing top 4 RHD)

5th OA + Bouchard?

 

[General Disarray]

I thougt he had a No trade clause or something? Isn't that why Montreal traded him in the first place? They didn't want to commit to him.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I thougt he had a No trade clause or something? Isn't that why Montreal traded him in the first place? They didn't want to commit to him.

Already addressed further up. Was traded before it kicked in and Nashville had the option of whether to honor it (they elected not to).

 

[Soundgarden]

Not sure if I would include Larsson(or if the Preds want him with Josi/Ellis playing top 4 RHD)

5th OA + Bouchard?

Deal.