Overagers in 2011 NHL draft

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  1. FolignoQuantumLeap

    FolignoQuantumLeap Its a trap

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    After going over the CSB rankings I noticed they didn't even bother to rank many notable overagers. I'm not sure whether that's common for that agency but I'd like to get a sense of where some of these guys could be taken and how some posters would rank them.

    First off, I was shocked to not see 2nd year eligible Brenden Kichton on the list. 64 games, 81 points, +55 for Spokane... as a defenseman. He was Jared Cowen's partner so I've been following him all year. At 5'11 and 185lbs he's undersized for a defenseman, but the NHL can accommodate small defensemen with his skill set.

    Another player I've been following has been Notre Dame forward TJ Tynan. The freshman scored 54 points in 44 games and led his Frozen four bound team in scoring. Next best scorer was highly regarded Anders Lee (NYI). He's 5'8, but that kind of production cannot be ignored when its against quality NCAA competition.

    Other notables are;
    Marcel Noebels
    Brendan Shinnimin (14th in WHL scoring)
    Blake Coleman (USHL leading scorer)
    Magnus Hellberg
    Andrej Statney
    Joel Lowry
    Johnathan Parker
    Pereira, Mike
    Sahir Gill
    Adam Pettersson
    John Norman
    Pathrik Westherholm
    Josh Shalla

    Others who I know almost nothing about:
    Pontus Netterberg
    Zaytsev, Nikita
    Jyrki Jokipakka
    Alexei Marchenko
    Sergei Barbashev
    Jason Kasdorf
    Klas Dahlbeck
    Jordan Ruby
    Matthew O'Connor (6'5 1/2 goalie w/ .886svp in the USHL? wtf?)
    Bohumil Jank
    Eric Neiley
    Brad Navin
    Max McCormick
    Samuel Windle
    Brendan Woods
    Aaron Harstad

    Are there any others worth noting? Any input into any of these players would be helpful. I'd like to see some rankings with Kichton, Tynan and the other notables.
     
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    Benjamin Conz maybe?
     
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    Noebels will get drafted, maybe Shinnimin, Tomas Filippi is a possibility as well. Marchenko is a good player but the russian factor stopped him from being drafted last year and i think this year will be the same (i know alessandro the MOD was big on him last year)
     
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    Alright, here's my little spew on Joel Lowry of the Victoria Grizzlies. Personally, I think in the later rounds I think he will get drafted, led the Grizzlies in points in the playoffs and the regular season. Your typical power forward who will grind it out in the corners and hands and drive to the net to boot. He's agressive on the forecheck and plays on both the powerplay and the penalty kill. Solid two-way player. By any means due I think he will be a superstar, at best he could be a solid third-line winger. A poor-man's Jamie Benn is another good comparsion. Benn being also a former Grizzlie.
     
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    Marek Hrivik?
     
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    I don't know if he's worth noting, but I think Matt Petgrave from Owen Sound might get taken with a late pick.
     
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    I'm suprised if Conz doesn't get drafted this time, he has had two good WJC's, and will probably be available in 6th or 7th round.

    Jokipakka is a late bloomer, he came from nowhere and has played very well, maybe the best player of Team Finland in this years WJC. Big, reliable two-way D-man.
     
  8. Max Friberg.

    No one knew about him last year. This year he played great at the WJC and he's going to play in the SEL next season.
     
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    Friberg wasn't eligible last year. He's a late 92.

    The last few years we've seen a lot of 18 and 19 year old OHLers get drafted, so I'll volunteer one name I have a hunch about: Marc Zanetti. He was looking likely to be drafted two years ago but his game fell off down the stretch as his confidence struggled. He drew a lot of praise for his play at Detroit rookie camp last year, and he took a step forward this past season I think. Personally I'm not sure he's an NHLer down the road, but he does a lot of things fairly well. I could certainly see Detroit or San Jose grabbing him late.
     
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    Ranked 13th on CSS' European Final Ranking...
     
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    First off, I want to say that Josh Shalla is absolute money around the net. Literally 9/10 times it's in the back of the net when he gets it on his stick.

    Brenden Kichton is gold too. Ryan O'Connor from Saginaw is another undersized offensive dman, he was once touted pretty high but maybe his size scared people off; however, I've seen him lay some of the biggest hits of games and hold his own physically.

    Denis Goblubev, I believe, has immense potential to have a great bottom six pro career but he's expressed his interest in playing for the KHL short term. He was the third best forward playing in the WJC for Russia.
     
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    Here are my views on the top overagers. You should not be too concerned about Central Scouting’s ratings for overagers because a - they are frequently lower than where the player is chosen in the draft and b - often overagers (and good ones at that) are overlooked. To be fair, it is more a crapshoot for overagers particularly ones taken in the 4th and beyond.

    2nd round
    Hellberg, Magnus - G - 6’5 185 L - SWE-2 - 31 2.04 5 .935 - NHL CS No 2 EUR goalie
    Size, stats, mobility, agility, poise, maturity, NHL readiness - The number 1 overager likely to be taken in the draft - go big and go early because otherwise this guy will not be around - may be the 1st goalie chosen overall in the draft. For the latest on Hellberg, go to Kirk Luedeke’s Bruin blogspot (yes, even Canadiens fans can view it) @ http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/04/central-scouting-european-final_820.html

    3rd round
    Kichton, Brenden - D - 5’11 187 R - WHL - 64-36-58-81-31-(+55) - NHL CS unrated
    Under-sized, passed over D who gets it done with solid positioning and above average skills - a PP set-up man (1.27 PPG and a +55). Passed over because he was on a stacked team and really didn’t get to show what he could do till this year. The best write-up on Kichton was done at The Scouting Report @ http://www.thescoutingreport.org/prospect-spotlight-brendan-kichton/

    Balisy, Chase - LW - 6’0 175 L - CCHA - 37-12-17-89-8-(+4) - NHL CS unrated
    A complete player and a compete player who had a very good rookie season @ Western Michigan - strength is an issue and his skating could be better but the results are there. He is starting to be recognized with a little love out there - The Hockey News hot list in January and this little teaser from ISS posted on Hockey’s Future @ http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/12876/iss_top30_risers_and_fallers_march2011/

    4th round
    Jokipakka, Jyrki - D - 6’3 191 L - Fin-E - 48-1-8-9-18 - NHL CS 38th EUR skater
    A ready for the NHL type performance at the U20’s plus a 6’3’’ frame and two-way defender skills. Could use a little weight as most Europeans can but could be ready for the NHL next season as a 6th or 7th man after a little seasoning in the AHL. If you want to know him a bit better, Dan Sallows has an interview with him @ http://dansallows.com/interview-jyrki-jokipakka/

    Dahlbeck, Klas - D - 6’2 194 L - Swe-E - 47-0-8-8-12 - NHL CS 23rd EUR skater
    Another guy who 1st came to most people’s attention at the U20 was Klas Dahlbeck. Niclas Hävelid, 9-year NHL veteran, says it best, “Klas strength is that he plays to his strengths. He has good size, skating and a first pass. But above all, he's a smart hockey player. He’s that kind of player they want in the NHL and I am sure that he will get there pretty soonâ€. The original quote can be found at @ http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/sverige/elitserien/linkoping/article8476693.ab

    Grenier, Alexandre - RW - 6’5 200 R - QMJHL - 31-9-15-24-6-(-1) - Unrated
    Alexandre le géant, almost passed by because of a car crash and playing at lower levels, this monster (twice passed over) is starting to show what he can do. And yes, he has soft hands and score with the best of them, check for his goals in the highlight section. Some say his skating is an issue but I say it is plenty good for a 6’5’’ guy - check him out yourself and find out what “Quel feint†really means (#5 in white at about 1:50 and 2.59) @ http://theqall-access.blogspot.com/2011/04/video-shawinigan-vs-quebec-game-1.html. You will want this guy for your team.

    Marchenko, Alexei - D - 6’2 183 R - MHL - 36-5-33-38-28-(+33) NHL - CS 25th EUR skater
    A darkhorse superstar, OK, maybe not a superstar but a solid PP QB with elite skills who somehow got passed over last year because he was Russian and did not appear in international competitions. PPG player in the MHL. There isn’t much out there in English on this guy but Alessandro Seren Rosso does a good job of hyping this guy @ http://www.russianprospect.com/alexei-marchenko

    Lowry, Joel - LW - 6’1 180 L - BCHL - 42-24-43-67-35 NHL - CS 95th NA skater
    OK, 4th may be a bit of a stretch but someone is going to draft this guy - maybe the guy who drafts Adam will taken Joel a little later. Anyways, there is already a nice write-up on this guy in this thread so I will not repeat.

    Stastny, Andrej - C - 6’4 214 L - WHL - 32-10-20-30-40-(+2) - CS 185th NA skater
    Who can’t use a 6’4’’ 215 lb. center? Passed over twice, he came to the DUB mid-year and showed flashes of why he should be drafted so high. May not show high on the NHL’s list as he has been reviewed before but is likely to show up on someone’s list in June. Check him out @ http://www.vancouvergiants.com/video/index/id/4c057930343b3b4c0b2db9ba4ed5524a

    5th round and beyond
    Dvurechensky, Nikita - LW - 6’3 187 L - KHL - 12-1-1-2-2-(-3) - NHL CS 139th EUR skater
    Demonstrated he could play in small rinks and score at both the U20 where he picked up a gold medal and the Subway Super Series. Big, strong skater, a bury’em type shot - he has NHL type skills but is Russian - we shall see.

    Noebels, Marcel - LW - 6’3 195 L - WHL - 66-28-24-52-23-(-1) - NHL CS 49th NA skater
    What??? The NHL rates this overager higher than I do, unbelievable!!! Maybe, some WHL guys can tell me if I am being unduly harsh in my assessment of him. Big guy, talented, can find the net, nice hands - knock is that dreaded phrase “perimeter guy†Dan Sallows has a nice write-up on him @ http://dansallows.com/player-profile-marcel-noebels/

    O’Brien, Zach - RW - 5’10 180 R - QMJHL - 58-29-36-67-0-(+27) - NHL CS unrated
    As Sean Couturier’s Dad said @ http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/sports/article/1370078
    “Offensively he is one of the most talented players in the league. He will be a dominant player next year, that I am pretty sure. We took a chance on him last year when he didn't report to Rouyn-Noranda. We got him and (Christophe) Losier and (Gabriel) Levesque for Champion and we think we made a pretty good deal. We're very happy that he showed up here this year and show his talentsâ€. Passed over last year because he was still playing midget, he will need to make it on his offense because of his size, build and the fact he incurred “zero†penalties this year.

    Jerabek, Jakub - D - 5’10 192 L - Cze-E - 41-1-6-7-20 - NHL CS 77th EUR skater
    Had a good U20, will his size count against him or will someone take a flyer on him???

    And of course, there are many others who could get the call:
    Benjamin Conz - G - NHL CS 4th EUR goalie
    Frans Thohimaa - G - NHL CS 6th EUR goalie
    Jonas Gunnarson - G - NHL unrated EUR goalie
    Michael Houser - G - NHL CS 19th NA goalie
    Nikita Zaytsev - D - NHL CS 43rd EUR skater
    Blake Coleman - C - NHL CS 198th NA skater
    Mike Pereira - LW - NHL CS 114th NA skater
    Dallas Ehrhardt -D - NHL CS unrated NA skater
    Josh Shalla - LW - NHL CS unrated NA skater
    And many others, some of which have been named in this thread
     
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    Andrej Stastny - Huge frame and uses it well. Has great vision also. 3rd round and potential of a 2nd/3rd liner. Clowe type of player.

    Marcel Noebels - Another player with great frame. Has really good set of hands too. 4th-6th round and potential of a bottom 6 grinder. Better version of Rupp.
     
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    I don't have a clue if they have a chance to be drafted but John Norman and Pathrik Westerholm should be picked up.

    John Norman had a very impressive first season in SEL. He is very speedy, explosive and surprisingly good defensively. The last time a junior scored 17 points or more in SEL and didn't get drafted was 1991, so if he don't get drafted now the NHL-teams must really despise him.
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=7782

    Pathrik Westerholm is a very interesting player. He and his (it seems) less talanted twin brother has put up crazy points together wherever they have played (national team, Superelit and Allsvenskan). The Westerholm actually plays like a really poor mans Sedins. They can stay in the offensive zone forever, passing it back and fourth, winning battles in the corners. And then they come up with quality chances. Allthough Pathrik have a good shot, it's his intelligence, playmaking ability and vision that seperates him from the pack. He will be a very productive player. Does he have what it takes to become a top-6 player in NHL? Some NHL-team should really take a chance and find out. He will however not work as a bottom-six player, since he is not very physical and could be better defensively.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=13146
     
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    Michael Houser, goalie for London Knights

    from Bruins 2011 Draft Watch

    http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/03/sleepers-for-2011-draft.html

    Michael Houser, G London (OHL)- American passed over in 2010 has stood on his head for the Knights over much of the season, proving that the solid play he exhibited as Mike Hutchinson's backup last season was a good indication of what he can provide. He was eligible for the 2010 draft by just two days with a Sep. 13 birthdate, so it wouldn't be like he is too much of an overager for a team to grab him the second time around. Has nice size and athleticism and was a workhorse for the Knights, playing in 54 games and posting a .904 save percentage. In our view, this kid has shown enough to get a call on draft day- nice developmental potential as a long-term project.
     
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    devils please take hellberg
     
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    Josh Shalla is having an amazing season for Saginaw. 55 goals in 78 games in the OHL is pretty special production regardless of skating issues for a player of his size. I think a team would be silly to not take a chance on him.
     
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    I'll have my annual list of OHL draft overagers out in a couple of weeks (waiting for a few more rounds of the OHL playoffs).

    The OHL has some pretty good quality to offer this year in this area. IMO the top one from the OHL is either Andy Andreoff or Michael Houser, with the likes of Petgrave, Sadikov, among others slightly in the rear.
     
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    Nikita Dvurechensky could be a great bottom 6 player in the NHL
     
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    From the NCAA, you have a couple of potential players in TJ Tynan and Chase Balisy. Tynan's numbers were fantastic, but I think Balisy is the better prospect. Some team like the Red Wings should draft Balisy. I think he could end up being a steal. Tynan is very small and not as quick as Gerbe, Gionta, etc. I would really like to see both guys get drafted this year.

    Also, I think both are better prospects than Sahir Gill. I saw BU play more than any other NCAA team this year, and I think Gill is worth a flyer, but he is a long-shot to make the NHL IMO.
     
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    Chris Collins in Saskatoon will surely get a look. Good all around player.
     
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    Jakub Jerabek looked great at the World Juniors captaining the Czechs. I wouldn't mind throwing a late-round pick his way.

    Joey Laleggia had 82P in 58GP in the BCHL. The next closest defenseman had 56P. He's small (5'10, 180lbs) but is insanely skilled. He's committed to Denver University and if he isn't drafted in June I could see him go the route of Matt Gilroy - go undrafted, dominate offensively from the point and have teams lining-up to sign him. He'd be an excellent overage pick.

    Is Niclas Burstrom still eligible to be drafted? Some Swedish hockey fans have said very good things about him. For example......

     

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