Ovechkin or Giroux???

tictactoe · Oct 31, 2018

VladDrag said:
Yeah, I would take Giroux over OV now. And I know he doesn't play center now, but the majority of his career he was center. If I had to take either Giroux or OV to start a franchise (and as theoretical - both have their careers ahead of them), I would go Giroux. I don't think you go wrong with picking either, and both have legit factors to be picked ahead of each other. OV turned into maybe the best goalscorer of all time.

I do not understand..

VladDrag · Oct 31, 2018

tictactoe said:
I do not understand..

Sorry. I don't know how to make it more clear - it's just my personal preference.

tictactoe · Oct 31, 2018

VladDrag said:
Sorry. I don't know how to make it more clear -

You can't because it does not make sense especially after the season Ovechkin had last year and 8 goals in 10 games this year is not too shabby. I am not even talking about his career stats, it is very well known

VladDrag said:
it's just my personal preference.

I understood that... just do not understand the rest.

VladDrag · Oct 31, 2018

tictactoe said:
You can't because it does not make sense especially after the season Ovechkin had last year and 8 goals in 10 games this year is not too shabby. I am not even talking about his career stats, it is very well known

I understood that... just do not understand the rest.

ok.

wankstifier · Oct 31, 2018

Jtown said:
Semin and zherdev were 2 of the weirdest players i've ever seen. You never knew what you were going to get from those guys shift to shift. Could be an unbelievable rush where they beat 5 guys or it could be a pass out into your own slot for a goal against.

I f***ing loved Zherdev. Automatic goal with the 5-hole shot

Striiker · Oct 31, 2018

VoraceksWristShot said:
Ovechkin AINEC. Giroux is not and never was on his level. Awful comparison.

Guess you missed last year.

magnumpi · Oct 31, 2018

At first, I thought it would be easy to say Ovechkin but I'm not completely certain. If both were 17, I'd trade Ovechkin and have Hakstol bench him everytime he doesn;t play defense.

But, I hate the tendency of labeling anyone who is currently the best at something "the best of all time"
Ovechkin is the best goal scorer of all-time.
No I don't agree with that
He's the best goal scorer of his era, not all time.

And I don't care about comparing his stats to a player from a different era because the stats mean nothing without the proper context and historical perspective.

ITs the same thing with people who compare QB stats in today's Arena league football era to a QB like Roger Staubach or Ken Stabler who played during the 70's when it was no holds barred against the QB, when you could literally clothesline a QB.
Pointless debates with no real answers

Curufinwe · Oct 31, 2018

VoraceksWristShot said:
Ovechkin AINEC. Giroux is not and never was on his level. Awful comparison.

11-12: Giroux 93 points, Ovechkin 65 points

NHL.com - Stats

Strawberry Fields · Oct 31, 2018

I love G but Ovi has always been my favorite player in the league so I can't answer without bias.

Striiker · Oct 31, 2018

Curufinwe said:
11-12: Giroux 93 points, Ovechkin 65 points

NHL.com - Stats

If only people would think for a second before they post.

MorgantiDrinksBlood · Oct 31, 2018

Curufinwe said:
11-12: Giroux 93 points, Ovechkin 65 points

NHL.com - Stats

I'm talking about overall body of work. Bro you cannot be more of a Homer. Giroux is not in the same league as Ovechkin don't even. Giroux won't even make the hall, AO is an auto LOCK for HoF and one of the greatest goal scorers of all time. Take the shades off. Even if Giroux hoists a cup and a CS trophy(which is never happening), I still don't think this is remotely close.

hatcher · Oct 31, 2018

But points people just points.

smoochy · Oct 31, 2018

Striiker said:
If only people would think for a second before they post.

Points!!! Be all end all!! Lol

Curufinwe · Oct 31, 2018

"Giroux is not and never was on his level"

If you say dumb shit around here, you'll get exposed. Maybe try Facebook.

Giroux has more points this decade than Ovechkin, if you want to look at overall body of work.

NHL.com - Stats

MorgantiDrinksBlood · Oct 31, 2018

Curufinwe said:
"Giroux is not and never was on his level"

If you say dumb **** around here, you'll get exposed. Maybe try Facebook.

You're saying dumb shit, Ovechkin is a way better player than Giroux. You can be homers all you want, the reality is facts are facts.

Curufinwe · Oct 31, 2018

Your opinions are not facts. Giroux having more points this decade than Ovechkin, is a fact.

smoochy · Oct 31, 2018

Striiker said:
Guess you missed last year.

You mean last year that Ovie won the Cup? Hahahaha!!! Seriously?!!!!! Hahahaha.

VladDrag · Oct 31, 2018

This is a really stupid topic about which to argue.

Curufinwe · Oct 31, 2018

Almost as dumb as the hundred old main board threads about Ovechkin being a choker because for 12 years he didn't single handedly make his team win the Cup.

Striiker · Oct 31, 2018

smoochy said:
You mean last year that Ovie won the Cup? Hahahaha!!! Seriously?!!!!! Hahahaha.

All by himself? Impressive individual accomplishment there!

Striiker · Oct 31, 2018

Curufinwe said:
"Giroux is not and never was on his level"

If you say dumb **** around here, you'll get exposed. Maybe try Facebook.

Giroux has more points this decade than Ovechkin, if you want to look at overall body of work.

NHL.com - Stats

And considering all Ovechkin does is score, if he's being outscored then the debate is over. Giroux is the more well rounded player and the superior player last year.

hatcher · Oct 31, 2018

Both great players so leave it at that but as a hard nosed guy myself I go with the modern Lindros in OVI. Hes what you pay to watch. G in 2012 was awesome and gritty but to small to go the distance while OVI can still truck at a high level in the games that matter the playoffs. Some teams never win a cup and that isnt on g here but its to late for him now. Wish he could have got one though.

hatcher · Oct 31, 2018

smoochy said:
No one wins alone in a team sport. Individuals contribute to a team. In various fashions, some more some less depending on their roles and amount of responsibilty expected of them.

End of lesson. Well work on more later. Keep coming out!!! Knowledge is power!!

Ovi if not for the pens two years in a row would have had maybe 3 cups in a row. He still was awesome and showed up to play but he took the d side of the game really serious trotz said last year.

Striiker · Oct 31, 2018

smoochy said:
No one wins alone in a team sport. Individuals contribute to a team. In various fashions, some more some less depending on their roles and amount of responsibilty expected of them.

End of lesson. Well work on more later. Keep coming out!!! Knowledge is power!!

That's impossible. Ovechkin couldn't have contributed to the team winning because he's a playoff choker who can't lead a team, just like Giroux!

Are you saying that winning a cup isn't all on one person and individuals can't be blamed if the team doesn't win?!?!

Is a cup win an individual accomplishment or not? These contradictions are so confusing!

hatcher · Oct 31, 2018

G led teams have done nothing and should have won a round by now but its to late and he deserves a chance elsewhere.

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