Ovechkin - all time winger rank

[thadd]

He's #3 but he'll pass Jagr.

 

[elmaco]

LOL 2nd behind Howe instead. And even I'd still say behind Hull and Richard too at the moment.

Who is 2nd all time in points? Thats right not Gordie Howe. Get out with your Canada bias.

 

[daver]

Probably 2nd or 3rd right now, a few more seasons of being top 1-10 in goals should help push the narrative on Ovi's length of dominance.

It'll be really hard to compare, since Howe played most of his career with only 6 teams and way less overall talent in the league.

Your grandchildren will be making the same argument against OV.

 

[daver]

Hull spent more time at higher level than OV did and has a better playoff resume. I don't see OV ever passing him to get to #2. Will probably end up just behind Richard.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Who is 2nd all time in points? Thats right not Gordie Howe. Get out with your Canada bias.

Because points are the only thing that matters right...

 

[Aladyyn]

People still have Hull over Ovi simply because he's Canadian LMFAO

 

[Plural]

Who is 2nd all time in points? Thats right not Gordie Howe. Get out with your Canada bias.

Bias? Howe is universally considered as top-4 player all-time. It's not Canadian bias. You're showing how little you understand about NHL.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Your grandchildren will be making the same argument against OV.

No they won't. There won't be 60 teams with the talent gap of the 1950s vs. the 2000s/2010s. More talent, maybe. But there won't be the gap between now and the 50s.

 

[elmaco]

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Because points are the only thing that matters right...

Yawn

 

[daver]

No they won't. There won't be 60 teams with the talent gap of the 1950s vs. the 2000s/2010s. More talent, maybe. But there won't be the gap between now and the 50s.

It was to point out that this a meaningless argument. Performance vs. peers is the only way to compare players in a historical sense with some reasonable consideration for statistical differences in comparing a six team league to a 30 team league.

It is, for lack of better term, stupid to simply say the current players > players from the past.

 

[daver]

People still have Hull over Ovi simply because he's Canadian LMFAO

No, Hull was the better player. Had more higher end seasons than OV and was the better playoff performer.

I am assuming you will now play the "can't compare players from the dark ages to today" card.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Only Howe and Jagr are above him, he's long passed Richard. It's only a matter of time.

 

[filinski77]

Your grandchildren will be making the same argument against OV.

I'll be damned if there are 150 teams (5 x 30) in 40 years, with a similar increase in the total amount of youth hockey players being fed into the NHL.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

anyone voting GOAT needs to go sit in the corner and think about what they've done

 

[dr robbie]

Yawn

Curious. Does your top 5 players to ever play hockey include Ron Francis?

 

[Midnight Judges]

Howe

Hull/Ovechkin
Jagr
Richard

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Yawn

LOL nope you're wrong.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Howe

Hull/Ovechkin
Jagr
Richard

That's what I have, except I put Jagr in the Ovie/Hull tier.

 

[elmaco]

LOL nope you're wrong.

Yeah im wrong cuz you said so. LOL.

 

[North Cole]

Yeah im wrong cuz you said so. LOL.

But conversely, the argument you're making is that you're right because you said so and because Canadian Bias. LOL

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Yeah im wrong cuz you said so. LOL.

No you're wrong because you really are. LOL.

 

[Regal]

No they won't. There won't be 60 teams with the talent gap of the 1950s vs. the 2000s/2010s. More talent, maybe. But there won't be the gap between now and the 50s.

What about the late 60s? When Howe was 40 and still 3rd in scoring. Players at that level are always going to be great no matter the talent influx. His advantage over Ovechkin likely isn't as great as his scoring finishes suggest, but his actual advantage high enough that trying to adjust for a talent gap doesn't bridge it. I could see an argument for beating Hull based on eras but not Howe

 

[Regal]

Yeah im wrong cuz you said so. LOL.

You're wrong because Jagr has a significantly inferior resume. It would be like claiming people are biased for claiming Joe Sakic was better than Mats Sundin

 

[elmaco]

But conversely, the argument you're making is that you're right because you said so and because Canadian Bias. LOL

LOL

 

[psycat]

3rd after Howe and Jagr. Quite clear to me and I doubt he will surpass either, in the case of Howe it's pretty much impossible, in the case of Jagr it's simply rather unlikely- a Smythe+Richard on top of what he have might do it, as could a dominating Ross but that's probably not in the cards. Then again Jagr is the second highest scoring player of all time points wise and got a higher peak.

Hull and Richard in order rounds out my top 5 but those two are honestly closer to the rest then to the 3 mentioned above for me.