Out of Town Thread Part XXIV

[The Great Weal]

Toronto doesnt have a Defense like what Colorado has. They dont have a Makar, Byram or Girard waiting in the wings to not only take over Barries role but in Makars case very likely be a better player then him.

Makar, Byram AND Girard are expected to be impact players immediately. Toronto doesn't need to expect Sandin and/or Liljegren to be impact players right away.

And, Toronto is going to have a very hard time signing Barrie. They simply dont have the cap space to bring him back and if they do they are throwing away all of the depth they have. They're already icing 8 guys making 800k od less next season which is exactly why they are a paper tiger in the legal right now.

So if Toronto can take that risk, why can't the Avs? Why couldn't the Avs at least wait until they see how Byram/Makar/Timmins...etc perform before trading away Barrie? Trading Barrie for a worse player before the season starts doesn't scream "fantastic" for the Avs.

As for Kadri. Like I said before Burakovsky looks like a prime candidate to breakout next season and so does Jost. Plus, a number of Avs fand believe they plan on spreading the wealth next season which was exactly why Kadri was brought in to help balance the lines. I expect Burakovsky to play with MacKinnon and Rantanen and Kadri will Center a line with Landeskog and Jost.

I'm just going to be honest, that's a shitty supporting cast. Sakic still has work to do. Just because Avs fans think their own mediocre players are prime candidates to breakout doesn't mean that they will.

I dont really want to get into your teams players on your board but to keep it simple, it would be a massive stretch to suggest Lehkonen and Armia are better than Burakovsky and Donskoi. Both Donskoi and Burakovsky have produced 35+ points more than once and while Armia hasn't even hit 30 once yet and Lehkonen has a high of 31.

You want to keep it simple because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It's funny when you accuse me of not knowing Kerfoot(probably because of his stats) yet you are doing the very same thing with Lehkonen and Armia. I HATE when people use specific point totals as if it's that players regular production. For instance, Tyler Myers had 48 points(in his rookie season too) does that mean he is better than Jeff Petry who never had 48 points?

Anyways, what you might not know is that the Caps asked for Lehkonen in a Burakovsky trade and the Habs declined. Probably because their offensive production is similar but Lehkonen is FAR more complete than Burakovsky. Also, Armia was on pace for 33 points in an 82 game season. Compared to Donskoi, that would be a couple points less. So it would most definitely not be a "massive stretch" to say that Lehkonen/Armia>Burakovsky/Donskoi. They are all very comparable players, and Habs fans are upset because of the lack of offensive production from Lehkonen/Armia. Potentially having two similar players in Burakovsky/Donskoi in the top 6 seems poor.

 

[Runner77]

Gotta love Jeff Skinner's work ethic:

Or, pour sa préparation de l’été, Skinner compte sur le soutien d’une instructrice de patinage artistique (Barbara Underhill), d’un entraîneur d’arts martiaux mixtes (Jorge Blanco), de deux autres supervisant les habiletés du hockey, d’un professionnel du tennis, d’un spécialiste du pilates et enfin, d’un instructeur renommé en conditionnement physique.

So, he's working with a renowned figure skating coach, a mixed martial arts trainer, two hockey skills specialists, a tennis pro, a pilates expert and a renowned fitness guru.

Is this common? I don't think I've ever read anything close to this level of dedication.

Sabres: la méthodologie payante de Jeff Skinner

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Gotta love Jeff Skinner's work ethic:

Or, pour sa préparation de l’été, Skinner compte sur le soutien d’une instructrice de patinage artistique (Barbara Underhill), d’un entraîneur d’arts martiaux mixtes (Jorge Blanco), de deux autres supervisant les habiletés du hockey, d’un professionnel du tennis, d’un spécialiste du pilates et enfin, d’un instructeur renommé en conditionnement physique.

So, he's working with a renowned figure skating coach, a mixed martial arts trainer, two hockey skills specialists, a tennis pro, a pilates expert and a renowned fitness guru.

Is this common? I don't think I've ever read anything close to this level of dedication.

Sabres: la méthodologie payante de Jeff Skinner

He did figure skating as a kid if memory serves, this might be a pretty regular part of his summer routine. It shows in any case, he's a very effortless skater.

 

[Runner77]

He did figure skating as a kid if memory serves, this might be a pretty regular part of his summer routine. It shows in any case, he's a very effortless skater.

Yes, he did.

However, he's added way more on top of that. He's got a whole team with all kinds of specialties.

 

[ZUKI]

Meanwhile the Habs are paying way above league average for a bozo and can't produce half of the result of a franchise operating on a shoestring budget.

"lol" indeed.

what do you mean by "half of the result" ? was there a team with 192 points last season ?

End result is that all of our brain trust had a big meeting together and said that THIS was the best thing to do. Which was then being laughed at by a dysfunctional management who said that it was a laughable effort. The idea would have been to go at the 3 or 4 1st round offer and as much money as possible.

No . Wrong .
Being laughed is the correct public answer to say , but inside the office i would think that they don't laugh at all

At least Carolina fans are cheering for a team that they one day have a chance to be GM of considering how Dundon views that position.

why did you put a "s" when you wrote "fans" ?

it did NOT work...

And it's alright that it didn't work . Goal isn't to get the player but get the player at the right price

And that is the point, better it not work than make you a worse team down the road because of loss of assets (picks) and higher demands from your RFAs.

The goal was improving your team long term (getting Aho at a reasonable price does that), The goal was not to get Aho at any cost. Benefits have to outweigh costs or you are not meeting your goal.

such a clear way to explain it ...nicely done !

 

[ECWHSWI]

And it's alright that it didn't work . Goal isn't to get the player but get the player at the right price

sure, you think Bergevin deserve a medal for failing at his OS attempt ? a trophy maybe ?

seriously...the guy is getting praises for failing...

 

[Runner77]

The goal was improving your team long term (getting Aho at a reasonable price does that), The goal was not to get Aho at any cost. Benefits have to outweigh costs or you are not meeting your goal.

If you're going the OS route, you're never going to get any elite player at a reasonable price. It's not a viable goal.

The more appropriate equation in my view, is whether the price to be paid in order to have a more than reasonable chance of prevailing on an Aho OS, represents a far less likely opportunity of landing a player of Aho's caliber if the offersheeting team had retained the picks instead.

 

[ECWHSWI]

If you're going the OS route, you're never going to get any elite player at a reasonable price. It's not a viable goal.

The more appropriate equation in my view, is whether the price to be paid in order to have a more than reasonable chance of prevailing on an Aho OS, represents a far less likely opportunity of landing a player of Aho's caliber if the offersheeting team had retained the picks instead.

Voila, that simple... making a reasonnable or fair or decent or good (not great, just good) offer to a RFA is a f***ing waste of time.

If the price is reasonnable why in hell would it NOT be matched you know... !

 

[Runner77]

sure, you think Bergevin deserve a medal for failing at his OS attempt ? a trophy maybe ?

seriously...the guy is getting praises for failing...

Yeah but, no one can bury players in the AHL like MB.

 

[Runner77]

Voila, that simple... making a reasonnable or fair or decent or good (not great, just good) offer to a RFA is a ****ing waste of time.

If the price is reasonnable why in hell would it NOT be matched you know... !

Which is why the whole thing was ill-advised.

Whoever provided that fake intel that showed "vulnerabilities" that the Habs thought they could exploit for the purposes of an OS -- well, that guy didn't get fired either.

 

[Kriss E]

Gotta love Jeff Skinner's work ethic:

Or, pour sa préparation de l’été, Skinner compte sur le soutien d’une instructrice de patinage artistique (Barbara Underhill), d’un entraîneur d’arts martiaux mixtes (Jorge Blanco), de deux autres supervisant les habiletés du hockey, d’un professionnel du tennis, d’un spécialiste du pilates et enfin, d’un instructeur renommé en conditionnement physique.

So, he's working with a renowned figure skating coach, a mixed martial arts trainer, two hockey skills specialists, a tennis pro, a pilates expert and a renowned fitness guru.

Is this common? I don't think I've ever read anything close to this level of dedication.

Sabres: la méthodologie payante de Jeff Skinner

Makes sense to me. Discussed this before, how teams lack specialist coaches.
Who could give great tips on stick handling/manoeuvring the puck? Claude Julien? Why not add in a guy like Kovalev who surely could help kids just with that.
Faceoffs? Bring in Carbo or the likes...etc..

No idea why teams who have massive budgets dont bring in a Monster team of specialized coaching.

 

[OnTheRun]

what do you mean by "half of the result" ? was there a team with 192 points last season ?

Would that make any difference if there was one? Habs would have failed to meet their humble objective regardless.

Just how desperate one need to be to bring out the points total argument, when the Habs points total was simply not good enough to make the playoffs?

Half the result here would be to win one playoffs round. Don't look now, but the last time Team Bergy managed to do that was 5 seasons ago.

 

[Whitesnake]

No . Wrong .
Being laughed is the correct public answer to say , but inside the office i would think that they don't laugh at all

Why? 'Cause he's leaving in 5 years? Maybe. But given him 10,5M$ per year for 8 years wouldn't be fun for them too, if it would be, they would have given him. What they given is a 5-year window to do something. And if at year 4 it doesn't work out or even year 3, they'll trade Aho and get something in return.

The laughing stock is the fact that this Habs brass thought it would make them flinch, and it didn't. Laughing stock is that every media outlet out there wonder why the heck Bergevin did that? Why a big show for that. End result is that maybe Canes aren't super happy, but one thing is sure...it sure looks as the Habs were used, and the only happy guy is Aho. Habs being the doormat to help him be happy. That's all we did. Yet, Bergevin probably doesn't mind that 'cause his first and most important goal was to show the fans that he tries really really hard. And it worked for some.

 

[Runner77]

Is this for real?



C'mon Dundon, do the right thing and be an organ donor instead.

Sara the Shill should have been all over this story.

 

[Runner77]

Makes sense to me. Discussed this before, how teams lack specialist coaches.
Who could give great tips on stick handling/manoeuvring the puck? Claude Julien? Why not add in a guy like Kovalev who surely could help kids just with that.
Faceoffs? Bring in Carbo or the likes...etc..

No idea why teams who have massive budgets dont bring in a Monster team of specialized coaching.

I'd be interested to know how Skinner put together his team of specialists. Who advised him on which specialists he should get? That's quite the team he's got looking after him.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Chili]

Ex-Isle Lehner is a Ranger on his Masterton Trophy

Talk about a bad typo.

Former Islanders goalie Robin Lehner had an award-winning campaign in his lone season on Long Island.

However, when he received the physical prize for winning the William Masterton Memorial Trophy for perseverance and dedication, Lehner discovered the plaque was engraved, “Robin Lehner, New York Rangers, 2018-19.”

Oops!

 

[mariolemieux66]

PK looks much leaner this year.

 

[angusyoung]

Nicely done! Good for Roberto. Good on the Panthers to do it in his home town. Not like Miami would give a FF anyways.

 

[The Real Timo]

sure, you think Bergevin deserve a medal for failing at his OS attempt ? a trophy maybe ?

seriously...the guy is getting praises for failing...

Is that a general millennial culture now-a-days? Trophies and medals for coming last... rewards for merely participating? It's a new and progressive era.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Nicely done! Good for Roberto. Good on the Panthers to do it in his home town. Not like Miami would give a FF anyways.

It's against Montreal, as well.

 

[Adam Michaels]

sure, you think Bergevin deserve a medal for failing at his OS attempt ? a trophy maybe ?

seriously...the guy is getting praises for failing...

If he failed, then why is this on his mantle?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Waddell sticking around in Carolina.

 

[Runner77]

Waddell sticking around in Carolina.

I guess Dundon was able to sell that organ on Craig's List after all.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I guess Dundon was able to sell that organ on Craig's List after all.