Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Adam Michaels, Apr 21, 2021.
Let's go!! They winning the cup this year!!
pacioretty really shinning in an environment where he doesn't have to be "the" guy... don't doubt he could've done that here had we actually added any elite talent around him up front. He wore out his welcome largely because he was forced to play a role he's just not suited to thanks to MB's roster management ineptitude.
100 percent right. Not only that but we doubled the problem by not playing him with Chuck. Both players suffered for it. Unbelievable how that team never got the additions it needed to make some more runs. And I remain convinced that we go to the finals in 2014 if not for the Kreider hit.
Very happy for Max Pacioretty indeed. He had a slow start in Vegas but ever since the playoffs 2 years ago he has been producing at almost PPG.
He definitely got a raw deal here.
He's always shone in the regular season.
Playoffs though....He's already in vacation.
Yes, and, His ppg both regular season & playoffs are way up in Vegas compared to Montreal.
That's kinda the point, he's not a guy who shines as the go-to or when opposition focuses on stopping him, which he always was in his prime Mtl years
Not so much a raw deal (he got first line ice time & the C afterall) as not set up for success because his GM was clueless in roster building...
And yet he still had some success as he consistently led the team in goals and points. 5 30+ goal seasons here ain't bad.
Nope, not bad at all... in fact, downright amazing when you consider his cap hit throughout...
Just not optimized, which was apparent the entire time & all we got is excuses about how "hard" it was to find a #1C / add top 6 talent... Wasted opportunity.
Stone being there is likely the main reason he is a little more efficient than he was here.
But his line is still the go-to line there; there is a huge dropoff between Pac's line and the Karlsson line. So he's still expected to perform as the guy(with Stone).
He also faced a terrible goalie and D against both the Sharks and Canucks, which pumped his numbers way up in the playoffs.
Go Go tonight!
I feel bad for Domi. He was a great player in Montreal but fell out of favour, now he is in no man's land in Columbus. Torts has chased out Dubois, ruining Laine and ruining Domi. When is enough enough on a coach wow! I'd take Julien over Torts every day of the week!
Speaking of Chicago, what the heck ever happened to Toews? Was it ever revealed why he's been out all year? I cannot remember - was it COVid related and if so, it must have been really dire for someone that young and healthy to be sidelined that long.
I never got the "Max sucks in the playoffs" idea. He was not always amazing but he has produced at his regular season level overall. His career goals/game is .37 during the regular season and .33 in the playoffs. He scored 5 goals in 4 of the 6 playoffs he appeared in.
Sorry i disagree about domi, Domi came back disinterested un the bubble , he put little to no effort and played worst then any player on the roster. He could not make a simple pass.
I loved him as a player, but lets not sugar coat it , he was horrible and it carried to Columbus. This is pro hockey and they payed for it, If his heart not in the game, then he deserve to be out of the lineup.
We robed the hell out of Columbus with that trade . I said it then and i repeat it now.
Was just reading this on twitter, so the Jackets traded a 1st to Vegas so they wouldn't pick Anderson in the expansion draft, only of course to end up trading him for Domi and a 3rd, and now Domi is in the doghouse. Vegas trades that 1st round pick (24th OA) and a 3rd round pick to the Jets to move up in the draft to pick Suzuki only to end up trading him, Tatar and a 2nd for Pac.
stone, marchesault, karlsson, Tuch, Stephenson... they've got a great mix of skill and grit up front but also Pietrangelo and Theodore on the back end... the kind of "entourage" that lets him focus on what he does best without the burden of carrying the offense or opposition being able to primarily focus their best shut-down players on him all the time the way they could during most of his best years here... Makes a big difference, and i think that's the largest reason why were seeing him put up career-best PPG into his 30's
They paid a first and a second for Vegas to take David Clarkson and so that they would also take William Karlsson in the expansion draft.
One of the guys Columbus protected was Wennberg, who scored 15 total goals the next 3 seasons after the expansion draft.
Nice trade tree lol
Also, have we stopped whining about Mete yet? Is he the new Barberio?
Pietrangelo and Theodore there is not much different from having Markov and Subban here.
Tuch is an interesting up-and-comer for sure, but Marchessault and Karlsson have settled down into merely solid second-liners. I'm not exactly sure what to think of Stephenson's actual skill level either.
Vegas as it is currently constructed is not unlike some of the early Bergevin Habs teams.
could not disagree more
Pacioretty was, definitively, the best forward on the roster his last 3-5 years here, in his "prime". So add an elite star like stone, plus the 4 guys you dismissed as "merely solid second-liners", all of which would have quite likely been the next best forward on any of those habs rosters, or at least the equivalent...
that's a significant difference. Think about it, in 9 years MB hasn't been able to add 1 elite forward... Stone alone makes it quite "unlike" those habs rosters.
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