Michalek sucks and makes 6.0 cash this season... It be nice to move his money to the Blueline... Maybe 4.0 of it... Then use the remaining at the trade deadline to upgrade the top six with a rental.
Our defence is a serious problem, what's the fix?
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tony d
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Offer Cowen and Michalek + a prospect to a team for a top 4 defenseman. That's our biggest hole right now and until it's fixed we'll continue with the less than par play.
Guy's we need to give Cowen more time. We've seen how good he can be. I don't think the main problem is with his hip, it's with his brain. It will start clicking eventually.
I agree that Cowen has been bad, but moving him at this point would be a huge mistake, imo.
Benoit is 18th on the team (and 6th for defencemen) in +/-.
People have funny memories when it comes to him...
Benoit is 18th on the team (and 6th for defencemen) in +/-.
People have funny memories when it comes to him...
sens83
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I read through this thread thinking to myself the entire time how over reactive some of the fans for this organization are. It is a young team, in year three of the three year rebuild...or did we forget that?
Can we all admit that the Corvo signing was completely stupid now? This team needs a player like Hjalmarsson to compliment the younger guys.
Given how the past few seasons pieces have slowly started to be added I would suggest more patients and trust in Murray. He knew he needed to get Ryan, he did. He knows he needs another top-4 D-man. I will wager that he will find one.
Can we all admit that the Corvo signing was completely stupid now? This team needs a player like Hjalmarsson to compliment the younger guys.
Given how the past few seasons pieces have slowly started to be added I would suggest more patients and trust in Murray. He knew he needed to get Ryan, he did. He knows he needs another top-4 D-man. I will wager that he will find one.
We haven't seen how good he can be. He's been injured for a huge chunk of every season since he was drafted, and he's looked mediocre to horrible in the time we have seen him.
He's not going to just click and turn into Shea Weber. He is a bad passer, skater and puckhandler, so he's never going to put up very many points. The best we could hope for is a Hal Gill/Luke Richardson type player, which isn't all that useful anymore.
Just FYI Cowen + Michalek is an ~$8 million cap hit. No one is going to touch those two together, and especially not if they have to give up a decent D-man.
Or- you know- something else from the Grand Canyon of options between Shea Weber and Hal Gill...
sens83
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I'd be interested in seeing what we could get from St. Louis for someone like Jackman.
The Blues seem to have a serious D core going right now, and flipping them Cowen for Jackman might be a decent trade.
How would you fix this mess?
How would you fix this mess, would you make a trade? Or stay with in ?
I would send down Grant and Zibby recall Hoffman and Pageau
Would recall Wideman on D would say Ceci but he is better off staying in bingo.
Start Lehner.
And make a small trade like Gryba for a pick.
Sens have to do something.
How would you fix this mess, would you make a trade? Or stay with in ?
I would send down Grant and Zibby recall Hoffman and Pageau
Would recall Wideman on D would say Ceci but he is better off staying in bingo.
Start Lehner.
And make a small trade like Gryba for a pick.
Sens have to do something.
Agreed. The problem with the defence isn't so much that they're all horrible, that's just Cowen and to a lesser extent, Phillips. Methot, Boro and Gryba all play the role of defensive d-men just fine.
What we're missing from the back end is players with the ability to make passes and rush the puck out of our end. Replacing Cowen and Phillips with better defensive D-men would help a bit, but not nearly as much as getting a guy who can PASS OR SKATE THE PUCK out of our own end instead of throwing up the boards to the other team's defencemen every. single. time. they touch the puck.
It all has to do with the players diet. Fire our husky coach and hire Eakins (after he's been fired)
Grant and Zibby are both playing fine. I'd bench Michalek and Greening way before sending those two down.
Other than starting Lehner I dont see how this would make any difference. I think a larger move (Greening, Michalek, ect) would need to be made in order to shake things up. My biggest issue with the last game was the lack of urgency displayed. The rookies are all jumpy and seem to lack confidence while the veterans seem to be floating (liking those nice contracts too much). IMO this board is focusing too much on rookies, that will only get better, can the same be said for some of the veterans ?
EJsens1
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This is 100% spot on, in what would be a perfect scenario. It really is starting to show that when you spend $10-12 million less than most teams, you won't be as good. That's 2-3 really good players that you don't have in your line up.
EJsens1
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Well, teams just don't give guys like Hjalmarsson away. Remember the rumours last year about Ottawa inquiring him? They wanted Lehner.
I don't see how the Corvo signing was completely stupid. He's barely played and when he has, he hasn't hurt the team. Making $900k.
Corvo was the Benoit replacement. I don't know why they didn't just re-sign Benoit but there you go. They probably wanted more "size" or something.
GimmeMyJetpack
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Ian White would be a good gamble.
The problem we have is not capable defensive d-man. It's the breakout. Too many times we turn the puck over, chase the puck and then get gassed which leads to goals. We need more puck movers. Too much indecision on the breakout. Too many wingers losing puck battles in the defensive zone and too many missed defensive assignments. All of this is pretty much because we get hemmed in. Ideally we want Wiercioch and Cowen to both settle down, they both dont have to be great they still have lots of time to develop but they both need to be better then they are (though i do find wiercioch is getting a bit of undue criticism).
It's time to change the breakout. We need speed on every forward line and one capable board battler as well.
Also, we need players to try harder. All players. Take off the cement blocks boys.
Seriously though small shakeup would do good whether its a small trade or just a call up.
The problem we have is not capable defensive d-man. It's the breakout. Too many times we turn the puck over, chase the puck and then get gassed which leads to goals. We need more puck movers. Too much indecision on the breakout. Too many wingers losing puck battles in the defensive zone and too many missed defensive assignments. All of this is pretty much because we get hemmed in. Ideally we want Wiercioch and Cowen to both settle down, they both dont have to be great they still have lots of time to develop but they both need to be better then they are (though i do find wiercioch is getting a bit of undue criticism).
It's time to change the breakout. We need speed on every forward line and one capable board battler as well.
Also, we need players to try harder. All players. Take off the cement blocks boys.
Seriously though small shakeup would do good whether its a small trade or just a call up.
coladin
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Confidence, coaching and team game.
They are a fragile bunch right now, even the vets, even the Norris trophy winner. If you doubt yourself in this game, you are ****ed.
The sample size for evaluating the players on defence is far too big, for me personally, to think that the clock struck 12 and the chariot turns into a pumpkin.
I think everyone here at HF for Ottawa has scouted these players through watching the games. We know these guys. Are we all blind? No.
They are struggling with the mental side of the game. It is not a lack of effort. Anyone who has played any sort of competitive sport knows that self-doubt, lack of confidence can destroy all your physical gifts and leave behind a shattered, crappy hockey player.
The coach has to get the boys to believe again.
I say: don't trade anyone. They have to get their confidence back.
They are a fragile bunch right now, even the vets, even the Norris trophy winner. If you doubt yourself in this game, you are ****ed.
The sample size for evaluating the players on defence is far too big, for me personally, to think that the clock struck 12 and the chariot turns into a pumpkin.
I think everyone here at HF for Ottawa has scouted these players through watching the games. We know these guys. Are we all blind? No.
They are struggling with the mental side of the game. It is not a lack of effort. Anyone who has played any sort of competitive sport knows that self-doubt, lack of confidence can destroy all your physical gifts and leave behind a shattered, crappy hockey player.
The coach has to get the boys to believe again.
I say: don't trade anyone. They have to get their confidence back.
bert
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Its true, need a big minute eater on the right side who is consistent and strong defensively and getting the puck out controlled.
Laphroaig
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I had forgotten how much more important +/- is than ice time or any other statistic ever invented. He's third in defenseman ice time on the team with the second best goals against in the league but what does Patrick Roy know?
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