Proposal: OTT/PHI/CAR

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by Dornhoeffer, May 13, 2018.

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  1. Dornhoeffer

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    PHI trades Pk 14 and Travis Sanheim and 2019 2nd to OTT for Pick 4

    PHI trades Pick 4, pick 19 and Wayne Simmonds to CAR for Pick 2

    PHI selects Andrei Svechnikov

    Check out the draft pick point chart and you will see the the draft pick exchanges
    are all fair and equitable. Plus Simmonds value is projected as a late 1st early 2nd
    and Sanheim probably as a late 1st
    http://draftwired.com:8888/apps/dwNHL
     
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    care to elaborate
     
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    Good value offer for #2 but Carolina isn’t interested in quantity. They would need a young franchise player who is playing next year. I don’t see a fit I like with Philly, personally I like Svechnikov’s scoring upside over Patrick. I’m sure many Canes fans would probably prefer Patrick’s positional upside.
     
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    PHI, as per point chart PHI is giving up (1100 + Sanheim /approx 700 + 2019 2nd approx 400) = 2200
    OTT
    Pk 4 = 1800 Advantage OTT +400 pts

    PHI
    is giving up 1800 + 875 + approx 700) = 3375
    CAR Pk 2 = 2600 Advantage CAR +735 pts

    Patrick is not being moved. Period
     
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    Right. That’s the type of offer it would take. How you feel about Patrick is how the Canes feel about their same #2 pick one year later.

    It’s not being moved. Like every #2 pick in the Cap era.
     
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    So the Flyers are giving up

    • 14th overall pick
    • 19th overall pick
    • Travis Sanheim
    • Wayne Simmonds (worth a 1st + in separate deal)
    • 2019 2nd

    for Andrei Svechnikov?

    [MOD]
     
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    Philly has a loaded system and Carolina and OTT as far as I can see need to replenish their systems. That changes the equation.

    No I'm of sound mind. Simmonds is expendable, we have tons of young defenseman. It's called being bold
     
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    Sorry, but Svech isn't worth all of that. There's bold and then there's foolish.

    Sanheim is going to be a big piece of a Flyers defense that is far from completely made over yet.

    The most the Flyers should do is move Simmonds for a 1st + then maybe move one of their three 1sts for a guy like Hoffman or Skinner.
     
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    Philly should just keep 14 and 19 and maybe try and move up into the end of the first using their second plus.
    Sanheim is needed to help fix the defense so I’m hesitant to deal him. Simmonds could be had in my opinion as I don’t think we resign him.


    My issue with this is we need all our young defensemen until we fix the defense. After that trading an excess guy can be discussed. It’s way to early for that conversation though.
     
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    We've had a ****ty defense for like 6 years now, invested 4 years of development into Sanheim, a 6'4 two-way defensemen that moves like a gazelle and is NHL ready, and now we are trading him rather than implementing him into a defense that sorely needs him. No thanks. Only way i'd move Sanheim is in a deal for an established defensemen (like a big deal for Doughty, Karlsson, etc).

    Once the Flyers finally have a really good defense, then they can worry about dealing off an expendable D prospect. None are expendable until the Flyers D doesn't suck.
     
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    Then your premise is wrong from the start. Carolina's cupboard is chalk full of B prospects, they need a dynamic F and a goalie. The #2 addresses the former.
     
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    No. It doesn't work that way, dear.
     
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    Philly has absolutely NOOOOOO reason to do this.

    They will "suffer" with Giroux and Lindblom as their top 2 LW instead.
     
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    I feel like we may add a left wing to the mix with 14 or 19 as well. We will be fine on LW
     
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    See: Recent Main Board thread “Does Carolina have the #1 prospect system with Svechnikov?”. Svechnikov, Necas, Bean, Kuokkanen, Zykov, Saarela, Wallmark, Gauthier, Nic Roy, McKeown, Luke Martin, Morgan Geekie, Stelio Mattheos, Alex Nedeljkovic, Callum Booth, etc.

    Canes are top-5 at worst. They lack elite talent (Svechnikov). You are working from a bad understanding.
     
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    Carolina doesn’t need to replenish their system. We have solid prospect depth for the first time in years. We need a high end skilled forward and a good goalie and we will be a decent playoff team.
     
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    Yeah I have no issue if we use #19 for help now.

    But with the #2 point getter on LW, and a top SHL scorer who needs playing time, we are not desperate to add a LW.
     
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    So 14, 19, Sanheim and Simmonds for 2?

    You're out to lunch.

    Edit: and Carolina needs to reload the cupboard? Lol. Talk about not understanding team needs.
     
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    Giving up all of that for not even the #1?!?!

    Politely I must say: This is way too much to give up for a prospect that isn't considered generational.
     
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    Horrible for Carolina.
     
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    this kid isn't talked enough about, its all "Dahlin Dahlin Dahlin" when i have him on par with matthews, there is no doubt that dahlin is still #1 but this race for #1 isn't as far apart as people think.

    Edit: but still bad deal for all
     
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    Yeah I mean I dont blame Carolina fans for expecting this much in a deal, but we just arent in a position to move that much for a player yet. Our most glaring need for the future is definitely a high end young forward, but we need to sort out the Defense first and Sanheim will be a big part of that (especially with Morin looking increasingly like hes not going to make it full time), once we get a coach who iant afraid to play him.

    Flyers generally have success outside of the top 10, I fully trust this teams scouts to find a player in those spots. I may be willing to try and get into the top 8 for that 'next tier down' kind of player, but reaching for #2 isnt feasible right now for what it would cost.
     
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