Confirmed Trade: [OTT/CAR] Ryan Dzingel for Cedric Paquette and Alex Galchenyuk

Nikishin Go Boom

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What in the world happened to Dzingel after we traded him. Back to back 20 goal guy for us. I hope you didn't break him :(
Teams started looking at his secondary stats and realized his goals came at a price. Scared them away or buried him for more favorable matchups.
 

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Teams started looking at his secondary stats and realized his goals came at a price. Scared them away or buried him for more favorable matchups.

Perhaps being moved down the lineup hurt him more than when he was a top 6 guy being put in good offensive zone positions. I guess we'll see, because he's a top 6 on Ottawa (lol) without question. Hopefully he can replicate his success earlier here, although he was with some damn good players then, so that's hard to imagine.
 

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Perhaps being moved down the lineup hurt him more than when he was a top 6 guy being put in good offensive zone positions. I guess we'll see, because he's a top 6 on Ottawa (lol) without question. Hopefully he can replicate his success earlier here, although he was with some damn good players then, so that's hard to imagine.
His GF% in 5v5 play wasn’t good in his 2 years of scoring ~20 goals. His GA was above his GF.
 

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His GF% in 5v5 play wasn’t good in his 2 years of scoring ~20 goals. His GA was above his GF.

We were a mess defensively, even if we had some good players. I'm not at all surprised by that. And it'll be worse now, because we're even more of a mess. We just need some speed and for him to get to the net and we'll see. No risk here, no risk for the Canes, all good.
 

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Looked like an echl player in Ottawa nobody is going to miss him in the slightest here

Edit: Not sure why my text didn't intially appear after the post.
Well I mean, I'm guessing there was a massive cup hangover, given his new situation.
 

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I thought the same thing when he was coming into Ottawa, that he would be a solid 4th line guy.
Honestly, after watching every Sens game this season, He looks like he’s done, just a warm body that can play games here and there.
He came from a team that did everything first class and where the goal was to win the cup. He was sent to a team where ownership cares more about prepaid salary so the cap gets inflated and saves them money. Ownership has little interest in winning. Management hasn't shown the ability to build or coach a winner. Now looking at the pretty decent names on the roster, while not contenders they should have been competitive. It's pretty clear he wasn't the only guy trying to get through this year and get the hell out.
 

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He came from a team that did everything first class and where the goal was to win the cup. He was sent to a team where ownership cares more about prepaid salary so the cap gets inflated and saves them money. Ownership has little interest in winning. Management hasn't shown the ability to build or coach a winner. Now looking at the pretty decent names on the roster, while not contenders they should have been competitive. It's pretty clear he wasn't the only guy trying to get through this year and get the hell out.
Ownership spent some money getting some players to insulate the young players this season, Paquette was one of them. Excuses, excuses...first class organization, Stanley Cup hangover....whatever. He was needed to come in and be good and while he's not the only veteran to crap the bed, he and Stepan were the standouts as worst acquisitions imaginable. Shame on this guy. Go and sulk or be happy elsewhere, looked like dog shit as a player from where I watched, so no loss here.
 

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Galchenyuk is really talented.

Yet another new shot for him. Hoping this somehow works out this time.

His talent is undeniable - but there is something wrong upstairs. I dont know if it is his hockey sense, his hockey IQ, his effort, his "off this ice" habits or if he is just as dumb as a stump, but i feel he is throwing his life away.
 

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Ownership spent some money getting some players to insulate the young players this season, Paquette was one of them. Excuses, excuses...first class organization, Stanley Cup hangover....whatever. He was needed to come in and be good and while he's not the only veteran to crap the bed, he and Stepan were the standouts as worst acquisitions imaginable. Shame on this guy. Go and sulk or be happy elsewhere, looked like dog shit as a player from where I watched, so no loss here.

Ownership did not spend in the Paquette/Coburn deal. In fact they saved money.
Gaborik's deal was insured. depending on source the team paid 600k or 650k, Nilsson's deal cost 2.4. (AAV's)
So the cost would be 3.00m to 3.050m
Coburn costs 1.7m and Paquette 1.65. (3.350m)
So you're claiming they spent 300k to insulate the kids?
Except the 2 players were on the roster. ... without the trade Ottawa needs 2 additional skaters and the absolute minimum salary is $700k per year.
It's Ottawa's owners standard and I'm not saying it's a bad move since they also gained a pick but reality is the owner saved a MINIMUM of $1.050 million.

Kids are fighting for spots and to make a name and get future raises. Veteran players know they are playing for a team where winning is an after thought. You may disagree but evidence shows be it sports or another industry when ownership is cheap to the point where increased profit and NOT spending takes precedence over quality product employees are much less likely to perform at a high level.
To this end please note in true Melnyk fashion Dzingel's cap hit next year is larger than actual salary
And lets not pretend other teams don't realize this. Carolina gave up Dzingel and will eat Galchenyuk's contract to get Paquette.
 

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What in the world happened to Dzingel after we traded him. Back to back 20 goal guy for us. I hope you didn't break him :(

He is still the same player. The issue is he’s not quite good enough to get top-6 ice time.

Svechnikov and Teravainen get the big first-line minutes for obvious reasons. As you move down the lineup, guys like Niederreiter or McGinn or Foegele are going to give you about 15 goals with a lot of sandpaper and a defensive conscience. Brind'Amour loves that type of player and will usually prefer them to a pure offensive guy who is only going to score a few more goals over the course of a season.

What that means for Dzingel is on a given night he might be on the 2nd line getting good scoring chances, or he might be on the 4th line just hoping for a lucky break. It’s not conductive to scoring a ton of goals, and he doesn’t deliver much value beyond that scoring role.

It just isn’t a good fit and it sounds like there was a mutual and professional understanding that it was best to move on. I have little doubt he’ll go back to scoring once he’s given the opportunity to do so.
 

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Ownership did not spend in the Paquette/Coburn deal. In fact they saved money.
Gaborik's deal was insured. depending on source the team paid 600k or 650k, Nilsson's deal cost 2.4. (AAV's)
So the cost would be 3.00m to 3.050m
Coburn costs 1.7m and Paquette 1.65. (3.350m)
So you're claiming they spent 300k to insulate the kids?
Except the 2 players were on the roster. ... without the trade Ottawa needs 2 additional skaters and the absolute minimum salary is $700k per year.
It's Ottawa's owners standard and I'm not saying it's a bad move since they also gained a pick but reality is the owner saved a MINIMUM of $1.050 million.

Kids are fighting for spots and to make a name and get future raises. Veteran players know they are playing for a team where winning is an after thought. You may disagree but evidence shows be it sports or another industry when ownership is cheap to the point where increased profit and NOT spending takes precedence over quality product employees are much less likely to perform at a high level.
To this end please note in true Melnyk fashion Dzingel's cap hit next year is larger than actual salary
And lets not pretend other teams don't realize this. Carolina gave up Dzingel and will eat Galchenyuk's contract to get Paquette.

We didn't just make that move. We acquired Murray and signed him to a 25 million dollar extension, we acquired shitbird Stepan who was owed 2 million or whatever, we acquired Watson who is paid 1.5 x 3, we acquired Gudbranson who is owed 3 million, we signed Dadinov to a 3 year 15 million dollar deal.

Why did you only single out the cap dump from TB? I said "Ownership spent some money getting some players to insulate the young players this season, Paquette was one of them."
 

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He is still the same player. The issue is he’s not quite good enough to get top-6 ice time.

Svechnikov and Teravainen get the big first-line minutes for obvious reasons. As you move down the lineup, guys like Niederreiter or McGinn or Foegele are going to give you about 15 goals with a lot of sandpaper and a defensive conscience. Brind'Amour loves that type of player and will usually prefer them to a pure offensive guy who is only going to score a few more goals over the course of a season.

What that means for Dzingel is on a given night he might be on the 2nd line getting good scoring chances, or he might be on the 4th line just hoping for a lucky break. It’s not conductive to scoring a ton of goals, and he doesn’t deliver much value beyond that scoring role.

It just isn’t a good fit and it sounds like there was a mutual and professional understanding that it was best to move on. I have little doubt he’ll go back to scoring once he’s given the opportunity to do so.

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping and thinking too. We're not strong enough to have Dzingel down on line 4, he'll be right up there and this is a HUGE chance for him, so let's see what happens. Probably exactly the same thing for Paquette, who will be able to come into a competitive lineup and show his worth.
 

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Welp...
Nowhere to go but up for Galchenyuk, right?
418 games before Montreal tired of him
72 games before Arizona tired of him.
45 games before Pittsburgh tired of him.
14 games before Minnesota tired of him.
8 games before Ottawa tired of him.
0 games before Carolina tired of him.
 

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Ownership spent some money getting some players to insulate the young players this season, Paquette was one of them. Excuses, excuses...first class organization, Stanley Cup hangover....whatever. He was needed to come in and be good and while he's not the only veteran to crap the bed, he and Stepan were the standouts as worst acquisitions imaginable. Shame on this guy. Go and sulk or be happy elsewhere, looked like dog shit as a player from where I watched, so no loss here.

Its possible we are underestimating the death of his agent here.

He was also used on the wing and looked much more comfortable at C in Tampa.

Paquette wasn't great I will agree, but some slack here is deserved.

Now if he suddenly returns to the player in Carolina we've previously seen? Then yes I will agree he mailed it in here in Ottawa
 
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Nikishin Go Boom

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Paquette is pretty good and exactly what the Canes needed. Its only been one game but Im liking it so far.
 
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Galchenyuk would have definitely helped them not be a defensive sieve tonight :laugh:
 

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