Other Chicago & General Sports Thread LXIV: Cactus League

[Kaners Bald Spot]

It's a negotiation. Why would you want the starting offer to be where you ultimately end up? You offer that up front as you suggest, you aren't getting him for that.

You start at the bare minimum of what you think it will take to get him to sign.

 

[piteus]

Loria doesn't own a baseball team anymore.

Bruce Sherman is cheaper.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Loria doesn't own a baseball team anymore.

Right, the new guy dismantled the team day 1. Either way, nothing compares to them. Not looking to argue, just need to mention them in a discussion of worst ownership.

 

[piteus]

You start at the bare minimum of what you think it will take to get him to sign.

You think $250mn for 8 years was a bad offer?

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Didn't get only offer a max of $250?

They offered 8/250 supposedly yeah. You can debate weather they should have gone to 10/300. I personally understand why they wouldn't, but I understand the other side. My issue is with referring to their interest as "not serious".

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Lol at Sox fans who thought Machado was signing with the Sox.

Nobody wants to play there.

Nobody wants to play for Reinsdorf

Nobody wants to play on the second baseball team in Chicago

Maybe Ribbie and Roobarb met him at O'Hare?

As for Machado, I'd rather play with Tatis and that stacked minor league system then the Sox, which, IMO, is considerably over rated. Maybe Moncada will show up this year and not look like a complete bust (shrugs)

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

No. That would be the Pirates owner. Reinsdorf is close though.

False

Jerry and Sox for several years spent in top 10 of baseball and even as recently as early 2010's had payroll of over 100M+

 

[piteus]

They offered 8/250 supposedly yeah. You can debate weather they should have gone to 10/300. I personally understand why they wouldn't, but I understand the other side. My issue is with referring to their interest as "not serious".

Yep. The Sox could have gone with longer years. However, as a poster who preaches cap / luxury cap management, i can't completely disagree with the Sox offer. It was fair and realistic. Only the Padres were willing to go higher and they came in late. Let's not forget their biggest signing last year. Hosmer was a disaster.

Good for the Padres though. They are going for it.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

You think $250mn for 8 years was a bad offer?

Yes. Anything less than 10/300 was a bad offer. If they would have gone there, it would have been done 6 weeks ago.

 

[piteus]

Yes. Anything less than 10/300 was a bad offer. If they would have gone there, it would have been done 6 weeks ago.

That's fair. You think they should have given Machado 10 years. I'm in the camp 10 years is just too long. I say this as a Cubs fan.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Machado can f*** off

Sox offer was more then fair and was not "Cheap"

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

That's fair. You think they should have given Machado 10 years. I'm in the camp 10 years is just too long. I say this as a Cubs fan.

It is the cost of doing business. If it ever made sense for anyone, it would make sense for Harper and Machado, along with A-Rod and Manny Ramirez. (if you didn't know about the roids)

 

[clydesdale line]

Sox couldn't pony up and guarantee him 300 million. But hey "350 million in incentives!"

 

[piteus]

Machado can **** off

Sox offer was more then fair and was not "Cheap"

Which was always my impression. His wife always wanted to be in NYC or SoCal. Kurkjian also implied Machado wasn't a huge fan of the cold (brought up in Miami) or big market media. San Diego makes a lot of sense vs. LA, NYC, or Chicago.

The ChiSox tried to lure his wife through her brother.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Sox couldn't pony up and guarantee him 300 million. But hey "350 million in incentives!"

No issue with this at all. Try to negate some of the risk by offering more if he's playing well.

 

[clydesdale line]

Sox can still save face since Bryce is still out there, but I doubt they'll go that route.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Sox can still save face since Bryce is still out there, but I doubt they'll go that route.

Yeah, I don't see that happening. Have to assume Philly gives Bryce a bit extra now to lock him up.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Sox can still save face since Bryce is still out there, but I doubt they'll go that route.

Why do that when we already landed Alonso?

When you have a face of franchise like Alonso you know your talent is already maxed out

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Machado used the Sox offer for a bigger payday.

His agent is a boss. I don't think he had any intention of signing with a team owned by Reinsdorf

 

[BK]

Sox can still save face since Bryce is still out there, but I doubt they'll go that route.

Now the Cubs will swoop in and sign him...

 

[HawksBeerFan]

Poor Sox fans.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Now the Cubs will swoop in and sign him...

If that happened, that would like getting pissed on an being told it is raining.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Sox can still save face since Bryce is still out there, but I doubt they'll go that route.

If they have any idea about the pulse of the fanbase today, they should be on the phone with Boras offering 10/330 as we speak. Should Harper land elsewhere, there is nothing that can prepare them for the shitstorm that will be the 2019 season. They will have days where their attendance will be in the hundreds instead of thousands. Jerry will have crossed into Dollar Bill Wirtz territory to Sox fans and they won't come back until there is new ownership.

 

[clydesdale line]

If that happened, that would like getting pissed on an being told it is raining.

Eh.. I really don't care at this point. The entire left side of the Padres infield should've been Sox players. Reinsdorf's incompetence as an owner is a f***ing disgrace. This quote from another board is spot on.

He made a great deal buying the Sox. An even better deal buying the Bulls. Combined, the teams are worth about $5 billion. He and his partners, many of whom are the same for both teams, have made tons of money. And except for Michael Jordan, and a for a short while DRose, hasn't had sustained winning for either franchise. With all they have made, you would think paying Machado or Harper would be a small payback to the people of Chicago who have given so much for, except for MJ, which these guys had nothing to do with acquiring, so little. It's time for the ownership group to move on. Let there be another voice. JR's isn't woking. His loyal lieutenants' aren't working. They need to get with the times.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Eh.. I really don't care at this point. The entire left side of the Padres infield should've been Sox players. Reinsdorf's incompetence as an owner is a ****ing disgrace. This quote from another board is spot on.

I saw that from SoxTalk dude and I don't disagree with anything he said.
I don't really give a crap either. I'll probably still watch on TV but there is no way in hell I'm going to the ballpark until they prove they're worthy of it for the foreseeable future. I'm too f***ing poor to spend what little money I have on them if they don't understand the value of a superstar player.