Other Chicago & General Sports Thread LXIV: Cactus League

[Kaners Bald Spot]

My bad then, but that doesn't make your statement any less full of ****. How many teams have been linked to Machado? How many made offers?

So using your definition, only 1 team was serious about Manny, because only one team hit the minimum. Phillies weren't serious. What a load of crap.

Yes. That is why they got him. If Philly isn't able to top Stanton, they're not serious about Harper either. I have zero hope in the Sox topping Stanton, so they're not getting Harper.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

They fooled us into thinking they were serious. Bah

 

[piteus]

He also got opt out if he desires to use it in 5 years in deal

He's NOT opting out. Did he get a NO TRADE CLAUSE? That's more important. Trust me, the Padres will trade him if they get the chance.

 

[ColdSteel2]

IIRC, the biggest contract the Sox have ever handed out is around 50M. This Machado deal was as good as it’s going to get. If anything, star salaries are trending up. Feel for Sox fans, enjoy Eloy while he’s there.

 

[piteus]

Yes. That is why they got him. If Philly isn't able to top Stanton, they're not serious about Harper either. I have zero hope in the Sox topping Stanton, so they're not getting Harper.

Boras and Reinsdorf don't mix.

Boras promised Harper he would be the highest paid player this winter. It will take $301mn to sign Harper.

 

[Sarava]

So Rick Hahn is a liar. He said the money would be there when the time came. And now apparently KW said they never were going to spend 300 mil.

 

[Sarava]

You were right Kaners Bald Spot. I feel like I was duped.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

So Rick Hahn is a liar. He said the money would be there when the time came. And now apparently KW said they never were going to spend 300 mil.

They're obviously not interested in anything other than B-/C+ Free agents because you have to spend $25M to even get a B+ FA. This is how much star players cost in modern baseball. 10/300 with a 5 year opt out is a bargain for Machado. The fact they can't recognize that is an epic failure.

 

[piteus]

So Rick Hahn is a liar. He said the money would be there when the time came. And now apparently KW said they never were going to spend 300 mil.

Kenny Williams is a doofus. Lord knows how he's a Stanford alumnus.

I can't blame the Sox not spending $300mn for 10 years. I'd rather give him $250mn for 7 years.

 

[clydesdale line]

f***ing Reinsdorf man.

You were right Kaners Bald Spot. I feel like I was duped.

He was all over the place. Can't even give him credit.

 

[piteus]

They're obviously not interested in anything other than B-/C+ Free agents because you have to spend $25M to even get a B+ FA. This is how much star players cost in modern baseball. 10/300 with a 5 year opt out is a bargain for Machado. The fact they can't recognize that is an epic failure.

Isn't the opt out a player's option? No one is going to offer Machado $150mn+ guaranteed at 31 years of age.

 

[Easy E]

We can help you out Sox bros... You can have Jason Heyward as your star.

I'll be honest, Rawlings troll job actually made me think the WS were actually going to get him.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Isn't the opt out a player's option? No one is going to offer Machado $150mn+ guaranteed at 31 years of age.

Yes. Exactly why this was an absolute joke. The contract that Machado ended up signing should have been their starting point ffs.

 

[piteus]

Yes. Exactly why this was an absolute joke. The contract that Machado ended up signing should have been their starting point ffs.

$300mn for 10 years is a long time. Without PEDs, players start signficantly declining at about 32. That implies $90mn is a write off.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Yes. Exactly why this was an absolute joke. The contract that Machado ended up signing should have been their starting point ffs.

This statement defies logic.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

$300mn for 10 years is a long time. Without PEDs, players start signficantly declining at about 32. That implies $90mn is a write off.

They could have frontloaded it such that it mitigated the last few years.

 

[clydesdale line]

And now one of the Sox top prospects Luis Basabe out 3 months with a broken hamate bone.

When it rains, it pours.

 

[Easy E]

I'm out of the loop on ownership here

Is Reinsdorf generally considered the cheapest owner in the league?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

This statement defies logic.

How so? Nobody thought that Machado was going sign for less than 10/300 and Harper for 10/330. If you're actually serious that is where you start.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I'm out of the loop on ownership here

Is Reinsdorf generally considered the cheapest owner in the league?

No. That would be the Pirates owner. Reinsdorf is close though.

 

[ColdSteel2]

No. That would be the Pirates owner. Reinsdorf is close though.

Ahem, Marlins.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

We can help you out Sox bros... You can have Jason Heyward as your star.

I'll be honest, Rawlings troll job actually made me think the WS were actually going to get him.

26 year old, with an opt out, what can go wrong?

Machado is better than that obviously and I be pretty shocked if he fell off anything like that as soon as Hayward did. But they are just 3 years into that deal, with 5 to go and it's significantly limiting their spending decisions. The Sox don't have the money the Cubs do, which is why I understand (while still being disappointed) not giving 10 years.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

How so? Nobody thought that Machado was going sign for less than 10/300 and Harper for 10/330. If you're actually serious that is where you start.

It's a negotiation. Why would you want the starting offer to be where you ultimately end up? You offer that up front as you suggest, you aren't getting him for that.

 

[RayP]

This is such horse****. They are one of four teams linked to him and one of two to have made an actual offer. That they choose to not go to 10/300 doesn't mean they weren't ever serious.

Just Cubs fan bull****.

Speaking of fools, if you think the Cubs don't have the money to spend on anyone....

Didn't get only offer a max of $250?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Ahem, Marlins.

Loria doesn't own a baseball team anymore.