OT: Rodriguez Sues M.L.B., Claiming a ‘Witch Hunt’

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  1. Fugu

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    I think this has relevancy insofar as CBAs, drug testing programs and player rights are concerned, regardless of the league.

    The MLBPA had also filed a grievance protesting A-Rod's suspension on the grounds that the league violated the CBA/drug program.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/sports/baseball/rodriguez-sues-mlb-claiming-a-witch-hunt.html?_r=0

    A-Rod's side claims up to $5 MM was paid to get Bosch's cooperation.




    MLB's response:



    Finally, I think several BOH regulars will be pleased to reacquaint themselves with “tortious interfeenceâ€.
     
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    A-rod may just open a whole can of worms against himself. A-rod suing MLB itself a violation since the appeal process is still on going over the ban. Arod can not sue MLB he can only appeal the suspension but he can sue afterwoods if its upheld. Nevermind MLB can actually publicly reveal all the documents they have against A-rod during the discovery phase.
    Including such that he interfered with the MLB investigation.
     
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    Well, we're getting everything here. Can a league employ tactics beyond those outlined in a drug testing program within a CBA to pursue an investigation of a player; and where do you draw the line with said tactics.

    It's interesting to see 'collusion' thrown into the fray, and previous inaction on the part of the league. Is the double-whammy some people cited when this story first broke?




    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...uit-major-league-baseball-mlb-doping/2922019/
     
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    This is actually the first interesting question for me in this story. I have been confused about both MLB and NCAA investigative powers. I am not a fan of them using the judicial system to force someone into giving "state" evidence.
     
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    I'm not so sure. It may depend on exactly what the CBA allows in terms of investigation of individual players. There are two issues, from what I can gather-- the CBA aspect which the MLBPA is handling and A-Rod's personal grievance that he was singled-out and pursued outside the confines of what was allowed in the CBA. I'm not sure that the CBA's confidentiality aspect would overrule an issue of one player being singled out (and thus "harmed') if that is indeed what happened, and if the evidence used against him was gained by huge payments to the key witness.
     
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    But the CBA doesn't give A-rod the right to sue with out going through current available options ie appeal it to the sports court.

    If A-Rod has done something outright illegal (interfering with an investigation for example), then how does the drug policy never-mind CBA even apply?
     
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    The whole lawsuit violates the CBA though. Its sad how much Arod is turning this whole issue into a circus of him being the "victim". I can't wait to see him out of baseball.
     
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    Moyes putting the Coyotes into bankruptcy violated his contract with the NHL. However bankruptcy laws trump that type of deal. The NHL, of course, could still pursue a civil case against Moyes for said violation.


    I think where I disagree with you is that IF MLB used means outside the drug program to pursue A-Rod, and violated its own CBA, the result of that investigation cannot be rescinded. It's been publicized, he's been 'harmed' financially and perhaps otherwise. The CBA would only allow the suspension itself to be rescinded. If he wasn't treated like every other signatory of the CBA (the players collectively), I think he has a case.
     
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    I think this case is very intriguing legally. Just how much of your personal rights can be signed away in a CBA as well. The whole drugging issue is wrought with loopholes and concerns, which I believe is something Don Fehr originally cited in his opposition to drug testing/enforcement in MLB.
     
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    This is my big issue. Threaten to sue Bosch into financial ruin but then be best friends/protect him if he gives you the evidence you're looking for.

    Nobody is going to not give up the evidence when they're threatened with financial ruin.
     
  12. Be a man Arod.

    Look at Giambi, Sheffield, Pettite... they nutted up and admitted it and no one cares.
    Mc Guire pussed out a little but he gets more of the benefit of the doubt.
    Bonds? Don't get me started

    But what you are doing is worse than what Bonds did...
     
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    I love public airing of dirty laundry. Personally, Im more than happy enough to just pull up a lawn chair and watch **** hit the fan.

    Gov. Jesse Ventura (insert trite, but likely valid, dismissal here) was on the Howard Stern Show this week and said that if Vince McMahon could be indicted for steroid use in professional wrestling ... ie., entertainment, not real ... then Bud Selig should be in jail.

    Count me among those who see the commissioners of these league as being more guilty of any wrong-doing than any individual or collective of players could ever be. CBAs are meaningless pieces of paper if you as commissioner, are genuinely committed to cleaning up your sport. Selig has been happy enough to look the other way for years now. I hope A-Rod's legal team rakes his hypocritical *** over the coals in this suit.

    /rant :)
     
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    What bugs me about this is how it looks like Bud is only doing this to help his hide. He knows deep down he let the roids get out-of-hand to help baseball, while at the same time wants to be seen as fightign them years later. I feel like this ARod battle is this fight.
     
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    One interesting thing about the filing is that it doesn't explicitly ask the court to overturn the suspension. Asks for compensatory & punitive damages, legal fees and "Such other and further relief as the Court deems just, proper and equitable."

    Random thought: is it improper for ARod to complain about this whole thing being a witch-hunt if indeed he is a witch?
     
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  16. A-Rod is a great baseball player and what the dinosaurs at MLB are doing is just completely wrong.

    Hopefully A-Rods suspension is completely dismissed.
     

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