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Diamond Joe Quimby

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Elaborate. I mean absolutely zero ill will with my comment.

While I believe BLM is a disjointed, mislead and incoherent movement Directed by people unfit to manage a McDonald's, I disagree with your statements regarding no presence of systemic pressure. There very clearly is. Now I might be a 30-year old with an MBA and a six figure salary, but there's a number of other black men who aren't born into the same opportunities or stable environment I was for many socioeconomic reasons. And I believe many people are a product of their environment. If I was born in intercity Chicago, I highly doubt I'd be the same person today. So....though I support you in saying that BLM (the group) is an asinine group of people doing more damage than good, I will say I highly disagree with essentially everything else you said. And, quite frankly, as a black man who faces discrimination\racism\stereotyping in many different forms on a weekly basis, despite my accomplishes\career\etc., I find it slightly insulting.

But just to be clear, we agree the BLM movement is ridiculous.
 

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While I believe BLM is a disjointed, mislead and incoherent movement Directed by people unfit to manage a McDonald's, I disagree with your statements regarding no presence of systemic pressure. There very clearly is. Now I might be a 30-year old with an MBA and a six figure salary, but there's a number of other black men who aren't born into the same opportunities or stable environment I was for many socioeconomic reasons. And I believe many people are a product of their environment. If I was born in intercity Chicago, I highly doubt I'd be the same person today. So....though I support you in saying that BLM (the group) is an asinine group of people doing more damage than good, I will say I highly disagree with essentially everything else you said. And, quite frankly, as a black man who faces discrimination\racism\stereotyping in many different forms on a weekly basis, despite my accomplishes\career\etc., I find it slightly insulting.

But just to be clear, we agree the BLM movement is ridiculous.

I apologize if I insulted you. My point was, it's not a systematic idea of oppression against blacks specifically. It's a class problem. This predates our current generation. It dates back to the two parties in America, the creation of welfare which was in due part from the advent of socialism. Blacks were originally Republican/Conservative, as that was the party that freed the American black slaves. The Democrats were originally called the Dixiecrats, and were the original creators of the KKK. The Democrats upon the end of slavery, promised black people welfare and free jobs. The seeds were placed their for endless poverty. Welfare does nothing but foster laziness and over reliance on the government, who are wholly content in keeping people in poverty. Your comment about socio-economic reasons is precisely the reason why it isn't about race. It applies to whites/blacks/asians and every background equally. Your environment influences your perception and from there you develop. If it's any consolation, I'm Italian (and a bit South American as well); I've been racially abused by whites and blacks alike, and my family was the first generation of Italians to come over to Toronto and helped build this city in to the industrial powerhouse it has become. Your point about your salary is yet another reason why I don't believe the oppression or idea there of is about race, but more about how much easier it is for the government to undermine the public by having multiple different economy classes. It makes it so much easier to incite hatred, instability and continued reliance on said government for survival, and everyone become sheep because of it.
 

Diamond Joe Quimby

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I apologize if I insulted you. My point was, it's not a systematic idea of oppression against blacks specifically. It's a class problem. This predates our current generation. It dates back to the two parties in America, the creation of welfare which was in due part from the advent of socialism. Blacks were originally Republican/Conservative, as that was the party that freed the American black slaves. The Democrats were originally called the Dixiecrats, and were the original creators of the KKK. The Democrats upon the end of slavery, promised black people welfare and free jobs. The seeds were placed their for endless poverty. Welfare does nothing but foster laziness and over reliance on the government, who are wholly content in keeping people in poverty. Your comment about socio-economic reasons is precisely the reason why it isn't about race. It applies to whites/blacks/asians and every background equally. Your environment influences your perception and from there you develop. If it's any consolation, I'm Italian (and a bit South American as well); I've been racially abused by whites and blacks alike, and my family was the first generation of Italians to come over to Toronto and helped build this city in to the industrial powerhouse it has become. Your point about your salary is yet another reason why I don't believe the oppression or idea there of is about race, but more about how much easier it is for the government to undermine the public by having multiple different economy classes. It makes it so much easier to incite hatred, instability and continued reliance on said government for survival, and everyone become sheep because of it.

It most certainly dated back to slavery, and the abolishment thereof. Which then caused a chain reaction because of the loss of slave labour, which crippled the Economy of the South, which was mainly agriculturally driven. Which then led to the prison population booming decade over decade in the 150 years that followed. (Drug offenses are the leading cause of incarceration of black men in America).

Its not any consolation at all, though I'm sorry you've been abused. I'm not going to play the "who's more marginalized" game, but I recognize that other races\nationalities have been subject to ridicule for no good reason whatsoever.

Yep, I don't really support the inciting of hatred whatsoever. I don't see a real reason for it lol. Now that said, that does not mean I'll simply ignore the fact that people who look like me are subject to certain negative things due solely because of how they look. Or, the fact that the socioeconomic state of many of those people is perpetuated by several factors in an effort to maintain their current negative situation. I do agree that big government is an issue, and the welfare state is also an issue (I'm a Republican, or at the very least, fiscal democrat). We've had discussions in here in the past regarding the investment in education, with it being the centerpiece of any proper capitalist society (i.e. teach the people to fish rather than giving them a fish). Alas, however, I don't think that's the real motivation of the powers that be. Its very clear they want specific people in specific situations; its very lucrative.
 
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That's a shame (and I'm a bit surprised to hear this TBH) as civil discussion about difficult subjects is a good thing IMHO.

Actually there is a specific Politics board on this site. The issue is that it can flip into an uncivilized shit show very, very quickly so we don't allow it altogether on other boards. Easier to manage and stay on topic.

Things get.. Interesting there so be forewarned.
 

Gary Nylund

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Actually there is a specific Politics board on this site. The issue is that it can flip into an uncivilized **** show very, very quickly so we don't allow it altogether on other boards. Easier to manage and stay on topic.

Things get.. Interesting there so be forewarned.

Right, that makes sense. Thanks for the warning.
 

Apotheosis

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It most certainly dated back to slavery, and the abolishment thereof. Which then caused a chain reaction because of the loss of slave labour, which crippled the Economy of the South, which was mainly agriculturally driven. Which then led to the prison population booming decade over decade in the 150 years that followed. (Drug offenses are the leading cause of incarceration of black men in America).

Its not any consolation at all, though I'm sorry you've been abused. I'm not going to play the "who's more marginalized" game, but I recognize that other races\nationalities have been subject to ridicule for no good reason whatsoever.

Yep, I don't really support the inciting of hatred whatsoever. I don't see a real reason for it lol. Now that said, that does not mean I'll simply ignore the fact that people who look like me are subject to certain negative things due solely because of how they look. Or, the fact that the socioeconomic state of many of those people is perpetuated by several factors in an effort to maintain their current negative situation. I do agree that big government is an issue, and the welfare state is also an issue (I'm a Republican, or at the very least, fiscal democrat). We've had discussions in here in the past regarding the investment in education, with it being the centerpiece of any proper capitalist society (i.e. teach the people to fish rather than giving them a fish). Alas, however, I don't think that's the real motivation of the powers that be. Its very clear they want specific people in specific situations; its very lucrative.

Completely agreed in the first paragraph. To add to the drug offences, they's a by-product of the collapse of the South post slavery in due part to said Democratic welfare. Thus, leading to the creation of poverty, then ghetto's, and drug movement being a quick fix for money. Makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

And no need to apologize at all. I am a very hard person to offend. I just laughed them all off because someone else's stupidity doesn't bother me. They have to live with a subaverage IQ, echoing those thoughts.

I'm not going to give you a long winded spheel about the perception of black people. It ties directly back to what goes on in the ghetto areas, which creates a wide ranging perception of the black community (stats backing some of these) and general ignorance of non-blacks leads to the misconceptions perpetuated by the ignorant minorities of people. It's clear as day we need more limited government. The government and the world elite (and if you want, we can delve even deeper in to this on a separate topic about the corruption of the world elite) have all to gain from having the population scattered through different class systems. If everyone was middle class or above, there would be even more accessibility to everything. Schools nowadays are pure liberal propaganda serving nothing more than to destabilize a country once built on family and prosperity. I don't care what people think about C16. It shouldn't exist. Same with the proposition of the "Anti-Islam" bill (forgot the name of it). The agenda's are so damn clear but people can be so ignorant to what's right in front of them.
 

Gary Nylund

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so how about that (insert show name here) on Netflix? What a great ****ing show eh?

I would appreciate some suggestions, I'm working my way through A Good Wife now, I've watched most of the episodes but sporadically, gonna watch them all now for sure. I've always liked law shows so not surprising that I like that one.

I know Mad Men is on netflix (and that was excellent) but I've seen that already so what else is good? Mostly I'm interested in shows in the last 10 years or so that I may have missed. I'm like good dramas and comedy's are good (if they're good) and I don't usually like shows that have graphic violence (which is why I stopped watching True Detective after the first show though it was very good).
 

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I would appreciate some suggestions, I'm working my way through A Good Wife now, I've watched most of the episodes but sporadically, gonna watch them all now for sure. I've always liked law shows so not surprising that I like that one.

I know Mad Men is on netflix (and that was excellent) but I've seen that already so what else is good? Mostly I'm interested in shows in the last 10 years or so that I may have missed. I'm like good dramas and comedy's are good (if they're good) and I don't usually like shows that have graphic violence (which is why I stopped watching True Detective after the first show though it was very good).

If you haven't seen Ozark, its pretty good, especially if you liked Breaking Bad.

There is some violence here and there, but if you can get past that, it has an interesting story line and good actors.
 

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If you haven't seen Ozark, its pretty good, especially if you liked Breaking Bad.

There is some violence here and there, but if you can get past that, it has an interesting story line and good actors.

Yeah someone told me about that the other day, I don't think it's for me though. I might give it a try but I was one of the few who wasn't a big fan of Breaking bad either. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
 

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I would appreciate some suggestions, I'm working my way through A Good Wife now, I've watched most of the episodes but sporadically, gonna watch them all now for sure. I've always liked law shows so not surprising that I like that one.

I know Mad Men is on netflix (and that was excellent) but I've seen that already so what else is good? Mostly I'm interested in shows in the last 10 years or so that I may have missed. I'm like good dramas and comedy's are good (if they're good) and I don't usually like shows that have graphic violence (which is why I stopped watching True Detective after the first show though it was very good).
The Medici, Hell on Wheels were both really good.
 
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The Medici, Hell on Wheels were both really good.

I hadn't heard of those but I will check it out, thanks.

Boardwalk Empire, Deadwood, Westworld are all good shows. First two are finished and WW is just one season

Boardwalk - I enjoyed that for a few seasons then stopped watching at some point. It was good but man, the violence got to be a bit too much for me at some point.

Deadwood just didn't do it for me but maybe I should give it another try.

WW - that sounded interesting actually, I will have to check that out.
 

ACC1224

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I hadn't heard of those but I will check it out, thanks.



Boardwalk - I enjoyed that for a few seasons then stopped watching at some point. It was good but man, the violence got to be a bit too much for me at some point.

Deadwood just didn't do it for me but maybe I should give it another try.

WW - that sounded interesting actually, I will have to check that out.
WW is very violent, more so than any of the others listed.
 

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hey people on the board. What should I text a girl before asking her to hang out? Or should I get right to the point? We've talked in person a bit before and made plans in person too.
 

Muston Atthews

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I hadn't heard of those but I will check it out, thanks.



Boardwalk - I enjoyed that for a few seasons then stopped watching at some point. It was good but man, the violence got to be a bit too much for me at some point.

Deadwood just didn't do it for me but maybe I should give it another try.

WW - that sounded interesting actually, I will have to check that out.

WW is pretty violent as ACC mentioned. Hell on Wheels is a very good series too. I didnt like the ending all that much but the first few seasons are outstanding.

I have a list of tv shows that I really liked/ want to watch. This is for anyone really. I have more shows that have been mentioned previously but I’d recommend any of these

Fargo (on Netflix, 3 seasons)
Silicon Valley (comedy, made by Mike Judge, 4 seasons. I think it’s the funniest show on TV)
Black Mirror (on Netflix, a commentary on today’s society essentially. 3 seasons with the fourth at the end of the month)
Sons of Anarchy (over now, 7 seasons. People didn’t like the ending but I did)
The Newsroom (HBO, 3 seasons over now)
The Night of (HBO, one off season)
Rick and Morty (cartoon, obscure comedy, not for everyone)
 

Muston Atthews

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hey people on the board. What should I text a girl before asking her to hang out? Or should I get right to the point? We've talked in person a bit before and made plans in person too.

Text her the day before you’re supposed to hang out and just confirm the time/where you’re meeting her. On the day of just let her know when you’re on your way.
 

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so how about that (insert show name here) on Netflix? What a great ****ing show eh?

Punisher is probably 2nd to GoT right now. I know a lot of people are turned off of Marvel, but it is not a superhero show and definitely doesnt have that Marvel feel. Blood, gore and war with a great story line.
 

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I would appreciate some suggestions, I'm working my way through A Good Wife now, I've watched most of the episodes but sporadically, gonna watch them all now for sure. I've always liked law shows so not surprising that I like that one.

I know Mad Men is on netflix (and that was excellent) but I've seen that already so what else is good? Mostly I'm interested in shows in the last 10 years or so that I may have missed. I'm like good dramas and comedy's are good (if they're good) and I don't usually like shows that have graphic violence (which is why I stopped watching True Detective after the first show though it was very good).

Stranger Things
Ozark (Breaking Bad esque)
Chefs Table S1, S2 (if you like cooking shows)
Anthony Bourdain's The Layover (if you like food/travel shows)

I just started watching Big Mouth and its pretty funny. Mindhunter I've heard great things about. Top of my list when I stop being lazy.
 
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