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OT: City of Oakland sues NFL Raiders, "illegal cartel" NFL over move to Las Vegas

MikeCubs

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LMAO, get mark Davis the **** outta here.
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Leagues should have bear minimum competency rules for ownership. The lack of money, the fear of stuff like the Mack/Cooper trades and the debacle on where to play in 2019 is why the owners were right to not let Mark Davis have LA. Nothing will ever change for the Raiders until the Davis family is out.
 
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MikeCubs said:
Leagues should have bear minimum competency rules for ownership. The lack of money, the fear of stuff like the Mack/Cooper trades and the debacle on where to play in 2019 is why the owners were right to not let Mark Davis have LA. Nothing will ever change for the Raiders until the Davis family is out.
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raiders would be front page news in LA. also gruden would not be there haha, he's not an LA guy to me.
 

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raiders would be front page news in LA. also gruden would not be there haha, he's not an LA guy to me.
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Not with an expansion level team. They struggled with interest in LA past 87 once Mark's dad ran the team into the ground and started with the NWA stuff. Only one time past 87 did they beat the league average attendance. Watch the 30 for 30 straight out of LA ESPN thing where it went wrong. LA or anywhere want a winner. Winning and Mark Davis/the last years of Al Davis don't go together. Check out the Raiders record the last 25+years. What's their record going to be the next 20 under Mark Davis?

The Davis family destroyed both the Oakland and the LA fan base with their ownership. Look at the mistakes they made.

Leaving Oakland the first time was a mistake. They had a great thing going, regular sellouts. Yes the Oakland Coliseum was outdated but so was the LA Coliseum so what was the point of the LA move?

Once in LA they won the superbowl and built a good fan base(LA turned on the Rams with the Anaheim move and felt betrayed) but Davis ran the Raiders into the ground and started with the NWA stuff. The crowds at the Coliseum changed from working class multicultural crowds to a much different crowd. Bob Iger who the Raiders and Chargers hired for their Carson stadium bid admitted the Raiders had to "reposition their brand" if they wanted to move back to LA thanks to Al and his NWA stuff. Al Davis also had dibs on the current Rams/chargers before site before the Raiders left but refused to share it with another future team that would have obviously had no LA history. If he would have agreed to share, stopped the losing and tried to price the last years of the old Coliseum crowd out he could have owned LA. Big mistake. Don't forget the impact the Marcus Allen/Al Davis fued had too.

So then the return to Oakland with Mt Davis added to the Coliseum. They didn't need Mt. Davis because they lost too many fans with the move and the 49ers winning 4 of 13 superbowls while they were gone. PSL's didn't sell, the city got left on the hook. Raiders attendance in the return is an NFL outlier. They only broke 60,000 one time in the return. To get the fans back they needed to hit the ground running, they were and are a joke instead. They also refused the only realistic option to stay in the bay area share with the 49ers.

So now they are moving out of state in a year and going to Vegas with an expansion level team. Just horrible ownership. There absolutely should have been a way for the NFL to step in a long time ago in either Oakland or LA.
 
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Mark Davis must be an embarrassment to the other owners.

Gets a sweet new stadium deal in Vegas and can't figure out a way to bridge a way to get there, not enough financial means that work out any viable deal, gets backed into a corner with the cloud of litigation over his head.

He's the NFL's version of Melnyk.
 
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Mark Davis must be an embarrassment to the other owners.

Gets a sweet new stadium deal in Vegas and can't figure out a way to bridge a way to get there, not enough financial means that work out any viable deal, gets backed into a corner with the cloud of litigation over his head.

He's the NFL's version of Melnyk.
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Yep though probably even worse. The NFL owners do want him out but they can't force him out short of him being a racist ala Sterling or if Oakland wins it's lawsuit for big damages and he runs out of money. That's why I say leagues should be able to force sales in extreme situations of totally running a team into the ground. Losing/bad draft picks/ etc.... happen and you shouldn't be able to force a sale because stuff like sports talk radio/the internet wants you gone but I say if all 100% of league owners want you gone or close to that because you are that badly destroying a franchise you should have to sell.
 
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49ers have territorial rights on SF. I assume they wanted a King's ransom to let the Raiders into town.

Raiders were not blocked from LA. They were blocked out of Kroenke's new palace. That's different.
 
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Surely Raiders could have taken the rent money that would have been paid to Oakland and use that to bring Sam Boyd temporarily up to NFL standards aside from capacity?
 
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MikeCubs said:
Yep though probably even worse. The NFL owners do want him out but they can't force him out short of him being a racist ala Sterling or if Oakland wins it's lawsuit for big damages and he runs out of money. That's why I say leagues should be able to force sales in extreme situations of totally running a team into the ground. Losing/bad draft picks/ etc.... happen and you shouldn't be able to force a sale because stuff like sports talk radio/the internet wants you gone but I say if all 100% of league owners want you gone or close to that because you are that badly destroying a franchise you should have to sell.
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Oakland isn't going to win that lawsuit. There is nothing legally binding that says the team has to pay the remaining of it back.
 

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Oakland isn't going to win that lawsuit. There is nothing legally binding that says the team has to pay the remaining of it back.
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Yep you are correct. Nor should they. As bad as Mark Davis is he did full-fill the lease then did a few extensions after the original lease. It's Oakland's fault for doing business with the Davis family.
 

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Yep you are correct. Nor should they. As bad as Mark Davis is he did full-fill the lease then did a few extensions after the original lease. It's Oakland's fault for doing business with the Davis family.
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That was with the late Al Davis that this lease was create under i believe.
 
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Mightygoose said:
At this rate, each AAF market (Tuscon replaces Temple's spot for Arizona) should make a joint plan to host the raiders.

The AAF's championship game will be in....Las Vegas...it will all come full (broken) circle :laugh:
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Ain’t that the truth.... :laugh:

The previous article I posted on Tucson bidding for it I never really took seriously but now they go in with Birmingham??

Who gets the playoff games if they get in? Oklahoma???? :D
 
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Not with an expansion level team. They struggled with interest in LA past 87 once Mark's dad ran the team into the ground and started with the NWA stuff. Only one time past 87 did they beat the league average attendance. Watch the 30 for 30 straight out of LA ESPN thing where it went wrong. LA or anywhere want a winner. Winning and Mark Davis/the last years of Al Davis don't go together. Check out the Raiders record the last 25+years. What's their record going to be the next 20 under Mark Davis?

The Davis family destroyed both the Oakland and the LA fan base with their ownership. Look at the mistakes they made.

Leaving Oakland the first time was a mistake. They had a great thing going, regular sellouts. Yes the Oakland Coliseum was outdated but so was the LA Coliseum so what was the point of the LA move?

Once in LA they won the superbowl and built a good fan base(LA turned on the Rams with the Anaheim move and felt betrayed) but Davis ran the Raiders into the ground and started with the NWA stuff. The crowds at the Coliseum changed from working class multicultural crowds to a much different crowd. Bob Iger who the Raiders and Chargers hired for their Carson stadium bid admitted the Raiders had to "reposition their brand" if they wanted to move back to LA thanks to Al and his NWA stuff. Al Davis also had dibs on the current Rams/chargers before site before the Raiders left but refused to share it with another future team that would have obviously had no LA history. If he would have agreed to share, stopped the losing and tried to price the last years of the old Coliseum crowd out he could have owned LA. Big mistake. Don't forget the impact the Marcus Allen/Al Davis fued had too.

So then the return to Oakland with Mt Davis added to the Coliseum. They didn't need Mt. Davis because they lost too many fans with the move and the 49ers winning 4 of 13 superbowls while they were gone. PSL's didn't sell, the city got left on the hook. Raiders attendance in the return is an NFL outlier. They only broke 60,000 one time in the return. To get the fans back they needed to hit the ground running, they were and are a joke instead. They also refused the only realistic option to stay in the bay area share with the 49ers.

So now they are moving out of state in a year and going to Vegas with an expansion level team. Just horrible ownership. There absolutely should have been a way for the NFL to step in a long time ago in either Oakland or LA.
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the A's had a great stadium before the raiders came back. The nfl screwed up in the 90s with the expansion wave choosing Jacksonville over ST Louis and Paul Tagliabue getting in the way of Baltimore's bid caused the la situation in the first place
 
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All that drama, so Raiders could claw back to Oakland.

They should have tripled the rent.
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They may have. My guess is that the Raiders are asking the suit to be ended as part of the lease discussion. And I would not be at all surprised if the actual expenditure is more than previous years. (After all, the city was short sided in their lease and did not have the expenditures paid before it ended.)
 
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They may have. My guess is that the Raiders are asking the suit to be ended as part of the lease discussion. And I would not be at all surprised if the actual expenditure is more than previous years. (After all, the city was short sided in their lease and did not have the expenditures paid before it ended.)
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The term seems to be what Raiders originally offered before withdrawing.
 
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