"Original Six"

tarheelhockey

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It's pretty simple.

Most Valuable NHL franchises

1. New York Rangers
2. Montreal Canadians
3. Toronto Maple Leafs
4. Chicago Blackhawks
5. Boston Bruins

6. Philadelphia Flyers
7. Vancouver Canucks
8. Detroit Red Wings

The NHL has an easy way to simultaneously stroke the egos/wallets of all the bolded teams at once. So they exploit that branding, as any business would.
 

BayStreetBully

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25 years, really. The NHL expanded and contracted at various times before 1942, so you really have to start counting from there.

Major League Baseball, on the other hand, stayed at 16 teams from 1903 to 1961, with no relocations from 1903 to 1952. That's a much longer period of stability than the NHL, although it's easier to celebrate 6 clubs that have all lasted to this date, than 9 clubs out of 16 in baseball.

Even those 16 baseball clubs have a special aura about them. Well, at least for the 10 surviving, non-relocated clubs. They are the only clubs which bring you back to the time of old ballparks, train travel, wartime baseball, radio age, and the golden era when baseball truly was king in America. They also coincidentally continue to dominate the World Series titles to this day. No non-original MLB team not pre-dating the 1960's has won more than 2 World Series titles.
 

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... well now that warms my heart. never forgiven Lester B. Pearson & the Liberals for foisting that new flag on Canada.... have never flown it at the cottage, never used on any of the boats... Red Ensign or die Sir!.. that is Canadas' flag. :rant:

I also like this song as a national anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxOhk4Lk9aE

Was this sung at Maple Leaf Gardens before the games at one time?
 

Johnny Engine

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Even those 16 baseball clubs have a special aura about them. Well, at least for the 10 surviving, non-relocated clubs. They are the only clubs which bring you back to the time of old ballparks, train travel, wartime baseball, radio age, and the golden era when baseball truly was king in America. They also coincidentally continue to dominate the World Series titles to this day. No non-original MLB team not pre-dating the 1960's has won more than 2 World Series titles.

That's true. You don't really hear about it as a single unified concept though, because "the remaining 10 of the original 16" doesn't have quite the same ring.
 

Killion

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I also like this song as a national anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxOhk4Lk9aE

Was this sung at Maple Leaf Gardens before the games at one time?

... not to my knowledge, no.... when the Gardens opened in 1931 the Military Band marched in playing "Happy Days are Here Again". 48th Highlanders Pipe & Bugle following. All very "Marshall"... the National Anthem being God Save the King.... Conn Smythe, the "Ultimate Monarchist".... Absolutely went into orbit over Prime Minister Pearsons plans to dispense with the Red Ensign, create a new flag. Lobbied hard against, letter writing campaign, gave interviews, absolutely incensed as were a considerable number of Canadians. That it was disrespectful to the tens of thousands of Canadians who gave their all & died in 2 Great Wars defending that flag & so on & so forth.... Now, Im a pretty liberal guy, but even I had to agree with him & with that perspecive... I mean, whats with this on-going "identity crisis"? That you need a "makeover"?... Beautiful flag.... Love it.... theres just so much history attached to it, that it invokes. Source of pride, honor... but I fear were veering WAY off topic. :laugh:
 
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BayStreetBully

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That's true. You don't really hear about it as a single unified concept though, because "the remaining 10 of the original 16" doesn't have quite the same ring.

To add a further complication, some relocated teams like the LA Dodgers and SF Giants embrace their New York roots either because of nostalgia, legacy or success, while other relocated teams like the Minnesota Twins don't even bother to acknowledge their Washington roots because there is little pride worth inheriting.

I agree there is a lesser singular concept of original teams in baseball as compared to the Original Six. I think what makes the Original Six such a big concept in hockey is that there was such a big drastic change from 6 teams to 12 teams, that 1967 seemed like the end of an era. Has any league ever doubled their number of franchises like that in a matter of months?

And 6 teams is such a small number that it conjures images of hockey being a small-time sport back then in comparison to, say, baseball. Having 12 teams all of a sudden, and then the continuous additions of 1 or 2 teams here and there over the next few years suddenly made the league seem more big league.

And then there is the timing of the expansion. 1967 is almost symbolic of big changes throughout North America and even within hockey. Before the mid 60's, North America was a land dominated by the WASP elite with traditional values, and after the mid 60's, everything about society changed. You saw the same in hockey. Within 10 years of 1967, you had a rival WHA league, the scare of Russian hockey threatening Canadian hegemony, constant relocations and expansion, a fully implemented entry draft, the breakdown of the traditional stranglehold of power by management, and changes in the business side of hockey. Not to mention that was around the time we switched over to colour tv in sports. The thought of pre-1967 brought you back to not necessarily a better era, but at the very least a simpler era.

That's my take, at least.
 

Johnny Engine

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To add a further complication, some relocated teams like the LA Dodgers and SF Giants embrace their New York roots either because of nostalgia, legacy or success, while other relocated teams like the Minnesota Twins don't even bother to acknowledge their Washington roots because there is little pride worth inheriting.

I agree there is a lesser singular concept of original teams in baseball as compared to the Original Six. I think what makes the Original Six such a big concept in hockey is that there was such a big drastic change from 6 teams to 12 teams, that 1967 seemed like the end of an era. Has any league ever doubled their number of franchises like that in a matter of months?

And 6 teams is such a small number that it conjures images of hockey being a small-time sport back then in comparison to, say, baseball. Having 12 teams all of a sudden, and then the continuous additions of 1 or 2 teams here and there over the next few years suddenly made the league seem more big league.

And then there is the timing of the expansion. 1967 is almost symbolic of big changes throughout North America and even within hockey. Before the mid 60's, North America was a land dominated by the WASP elite with traditional values, and after the mid 60's, everything about society changed. You saw the same in hockey. Within 10 years of 1967, you had a rival WHA league, the scare of Russian hockey threatening Canadian hegemony, constant relocations and expansion, a fully implemented entry draft, the breakdown of the traditional stranglehold of power by management, and changes in the business side of hockey. Not to mention that was around the time we switched over to colour tv in sports. The thought of pre-1967 brought you back to not necessarily a better era, but at the very least a simpler era.

That's my take, at least.

All very good points. This might be the most succinct explanation of the question the OP was asking (and a good argument for Keith Olberman to take a chill pill).
 

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Well, the "original six" lasted a long time. I believe the baby boom generation has perpetuated the memory of this era. It was truly the golden age of hockey to many of us. Almost all the players were Canadian and Canadians who were kids in the 50's and early 60's followed it devoutly. We knew all the players and what lines they played on. To us hockey lost something with expansion. It became more remote, less familiar.

Thats my take & I was there.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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It took some 50 years or so until the league went up from 6 teams and started to expand right?

How does that compare to other sports? Maybe that's a reason if so.

True.

From what I recall, the term only came into play after that 1968 expansion. Most hockey fans only remembered the "original 6". Only the teams that were part of the old table-top hockey games really mattered.
 

Killion

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Well, the "original six" lasted a long time. I believe the baby boom generation has perpetuated the memory of this era. It was truly the golden age of hockey to many of us. Almost all the players were Canadian and Canadians who were kids in the 50's and early 60's followed it devoutly. We knew all the players and what lines they played on. To us hockey lost something with expansion. It became more remote, less familiar.

Thats my take & I was there.

Yes, very much so. It truly was a "Golden Era" for the game & despite all thats followed, Expansion, the Summit Series & Canada Cups, the WHA, all of the incredible hockey & the players that followed I feel sorry for the generations who followed who werent around to have lived it, experienced it & seen it with their own eyes. With expansion and the WHA, big money & corporate interests ate away, hijacked what had been an untouched and very much uncluttered & pristine game, the players enjoying in most cases lengthy careers & each with unique sets of skills and styles of play individually & collectively.

They were all recognizable by their styles, by their numbers alone, no helmets, no masks (and when masks did arrive - unique). The ice, the boards, the buildings... entirely bereft of in your face wall to wall corporate I.D. and each building in the league rather than cookie cutter, entirely unique, wonderful. The game took center stage. The only logo's that you saw were those of the Bruins, the Habs, the Red Wings, the Rangers, the Leafs & the Blackhawks. You didnt need a program. You knew who #9 was with Montreal, Boston, Toronto, Detroit & Chicago. You knew who #7 was with Detroit, who #14 was with New York or Toronto and so on & so forth right on down the line. You didnt even have to look at their number (much less identify them with a name on their jersey) to know who had just done what or who was screaming down the Left Wing. You had personality, color....

The kind of color that watching it all unfold in Black & White as we did on television until the mid-60's that was rather than an impediment an advantage as like radio or reading a book it left something to the imagination, to the individual to create in their minds eye. That less can be more. Technology was then rudimentary, before cable, before fiber optics, long before the explosion of a 500 channel universe, long before cell phones, home computers & the internet which back then wouldve seemed unimaginable. People actually communicated with one another face-face. The only people who carried pagers were like Cops, Air Traffic Controllers and for emergencies only whereas today, most people check their smartphones before theyve had a shower, a cup of coffee, even thought about the day, constantly going off, consumed & ruled by a virtual reality.

You go to any NHL rink today, probably more than half in attendance are texting, surfing, taking selfies or whatever to share virtually on-line. What was initially introduced an enhancement to our lives, computers, the internet & smartphones, tablets etc taking them over, corporately controlled, sharp programmers keying in on your usage, algorithims & programs created to flood your device with advertising & messaging which like todays NHL you cant escape. All homogenized. Most of the players "look the same". Teams play not to win, they play not to lose or go for the Loser Point in OT. Lifespan of the average NHL'r pitiful in comparison to what it once was and why is that with all of the advancements in nutrition, training & medical care?.... So yes. For those of us here who were lucky enough to be born when we were and who lived through the Golden Era of the Game, through all of the social up-heavels since that have wrought such massive changes on how we even interact with one another, that simpler time (and one equally full of problems, far from perfect) was of a higher quality and experience from a fans or spectators perspective; while from an amateur through Junior or Pro career far more permissive of innovation & artistry, of freedom. Not everywhere of course. But through ones formative years playing hockey given all the rope in the World. First & foremost, there to be having fun. And thats been lost along the way, that & much much more.
 

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So yes. For those of us here who were lucky enough to be born when we were and who lived through the Golden Era of the Game, through all of the social up-heavels since that have wrought such massive changes on how we even interact with one another, that simpler time (and one equally full of problems, far from perfect) was of a higher quality and experience from a fans or spectators perspective; while from an amateur through Junior or Pro career far more permissive of innovation & artistry, of freedom. Not everywhere of course. But through ones formative years playing hockey given all the rope in the World. First & foremost, there to be having fun. And thats been lost along the way, that & much much more.

The players had to have off season jobs because of the poor pay.
 

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To answer the OP, it's about selling history, legend, and lore. Baseball and the NFL does it the best IMHO. And the NHL is trying to do it.

When you create a mystique about your game, tell good stories about it, you create interest, and that interest leads to dollars.

I don't follow Baseball, but I know who Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, Reggie Jackson, and Bill Buckner are. I know about the sadness of the Cubs and the legendary Red Soxs curse, etc.

Same with Football, I know about the monsters of the midway, the purple people eaters, the steel curtain, Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Superbowl 3, etc.

I know theses things because they sell the stories in sports broadcasts, in documentaries, etc.

When you build up myth and legend that can be as good as watching a game. It adds to the current game by connecting it to these stories. Look it's the Canadiens the winningest club in the history of the sport. Guy Lafleur, Rocket Richard, Howie Morenz.

And suddenly you're not watching Max Pacioretty streaking down the wing. In your minds eye you're seeing Rocket Richard.

History sells, and the more of it you have, and the better you push it into the consciousness of the regular fan, the more dollars you'll make.
 

Killion

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The players had to have off season jobs because of the poor pay.

Indeed. There was a lot wrong with the old Sponsorship Model. Essentially indentured servitude. Most people, fans, completely unaware of what was going on. The league managed to cap the blazing well of the first attempted formation of a Players Association as everyones aware however... then came Springfield of the AHL, Eddie Shore, Al Eagleson and the rest as they say is history. Sort of a "Pet Conspiracy Theory", buts its been long conjectured (with fact to back it up) that the only reason they created the Universal Draft in 63 followed by Expansion in 67/68 was due to not just the demands of LA & elsewhere wanting in with threats of major anti-trust suits & restrictive labor practices... but that a "deal" may have been done between James D. Norris & the US Justice Dept over the dissolution of his boxing empire late 50's. That if he didnt voluntarily take it apart himself they'd do it for him & they wouldnt stop there, the National Hockey League was next on their list.
 

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Oh heck, if the Amerks were still around, I'd have been a fan as a kid just based on those killer jerseys alone (provided they kept that look).

The term Original Six hasn't bothered me, even though I know it's not factually correct. In the 20's and 30's there were as many as 8, 9 or 10 teams in a season. Early expansion and dilution of talent! :D

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Interesting how much those look like this past olympics USA jerseys

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi00.i.aliimg.com%2Fwsphoto%2Fv1%2F1613262532_1%2FNewest-2014-Sochi-Olympic-Team-USA-Hockey-Jersey-White-Ice-Hockey-Stitched-American-Team-USA-Olympic.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fchinaprices.net%2Fbuy-new-white-88-patrick-kane-usa-jersey-2014-olympics-sochi-team-usa-ice-hockey-jersey-american-patrick-kane-olympic-jersey-blue-aliexpress-4879D0DB2&docid=UYQOF4YoVjWOjM&tbnid=EZD1n7KHu-PsaM%3A&vet=1&w=960&h=960&bih=638&biw=1366&q=usa%20mens%20hockey%20jerseys&ved=0ahUKEwj9waX4gP_QAhVmxVQKHYW6B2AQMwhoKAgwCA&iact=mrc&uact=8

I'll agree about MLB and NBA, but I disagree about NFL.

Original teams in NFL are a big deal.

Packers-Bears is a prime time game very often, even when 1 or both stink. And Lions get a Thanksgiving game every year.

Most often the bears (least in my lifetime)
 

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Would you prefer the NHL play up "Generic Tuesday" between a couple of former Southeast Division foes?
 

CanCHI

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All this is true all of the time, but the extra variable that puts everything into overdrive is that all things retro are in, so it's easy to exploit the nostalgia and anemoia to get into their wallets.

It's not so much exploiting as it is celebrating. These teams have been around for generations of people so someone who is 12 and cheers for the Rangers and dreams of pulling on the jersey has a kinship with someone who was 15 from 85 years ago who dreamed of the same thing. It's called connecting to the past through a team.
 

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