Oilers: Schremp or Cogliano???

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The guy Cogliano keeps reminding me of is a speedier Hemsky...
Just 2 games but I don't think I've seen him finish a play yet...
 

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Cogliano reminds me of a much shiftier, less whiney Marc Savard. And that's a good thing. I've seen him play a decent amount with Michigan this year and thats one of the few modern times comparisons I can make with him. Oilers got themselves two great players, let me tell you.
 

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Shremp has put up big numbers on an offensive dynamo of a club, but that doesn't mean it will translate to the NHL. Your projections are way too high. From watching Cogliano a lot this past week, you can see that his speed is absolutely exceptional. He may not has Shremp's amazing hands and shot, but speed more then makes up for it. I think it will be easier for Cogliano to overcome his size then it will be for Shremp to overcome his skating.

Pavel Brendl put up similar numbers with Calgary in the WHL and look where he is. Potential is just that, potential. Schremp isn't big, isn't that fast and didn't look great in camp. I saw him play twice and he was virtually invisible both nights.
 

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Pavel Brendl put up similar numbers with Calgary in the WHL and look where he is. Potential is just that, potential. Schremp isn't big, isn't that fast and didn't look great in camp. I saw him play twice and he was virtually invisible both nights.


And yet he was one of the last cuts at camp and almost made the team.....
 

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Pavel Brendl put up similar numbers with Calgary in the WHL and look where he is. Potential is just that, potential. Schremp isn't big, isn't that fast and didn't look great in camp. I saw him play twice and he was virtually invisible both nights.

I suppose it's a fair comparison in terms of the risk associated with Schremp - and I'd agree Cogliano is probably safer, with a little less upside. But at the same time, Schremp's offensive talents are considerable and he did make a good impression at Oiler camp according to many reports.

If Schremp can figure out a way to adapt his skills to the faster and more physical pro game, he can be a top line player. Marc Savard is probably the best comparison, with Savard being the better playmaker, and Schremp the better pure scorer. But I think the Oilers will have to be pretty patient. As he adapts, the "bust" title might be thrown around a bit more, and you might see his value drop before rising again. That's my guess anyway.
 

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Pavel Brendl put up similar numbers with Calgary in the WHL and look where he is. Potential is just that, potential. Schremp isn't big, isn't that fast and didn't look great in camp. I saw him play twice and he was virtually invisible both nights.

...err, OK...I didn't notice Schremp much during a rookie exhibition game I witnessed - until he started blasting in goals.

Not big enough? Not as big a deal as the last time we had NHL, when the humongous Martin St. Louis walked away with the MVP and scoring title.

Didn't look great in camp? I will take MacT's opinion over yours, thanks!
 

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...err, OK...I didn't notice Schremp much during a rookie exhibition game I witnessed - until he started blasting in goals.

Not big enough? Not as big a deal as the last time we had NHL, when the humongous Martin St. Louis walked away with the MVP and scoring title.

Didn't look great in camp? I will take MacT's opinion over yours, thanks!
St louis can skate though. Schremp isn't all that mobile. I saw two games and obviously the coach saw more. :handclap:
 

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And yet he was one of the last cuts at camp and almost made the team.....

what about his other 5 NHL camps?

I don't really care to be honest with you. I think Schremp will probably do alright in the NHL. I don't think he will ever score anywhere near 100 and I don't think he will light the lamp for 30 in his first season. He is an offence only player who is small and not that great of a skater. He will excel on the PP but 5 on 5 will probably end up being a little more average than Oiler fans want to admit.
 

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I've always been a fan of Cogs, and IMO the kid is dynamite and he fell WAY too far in the draft. He isn't all that great defensively, but if you got the offensive package this guy does then who the hell cares?
 

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I would take Schremp. From the limited times I have seen both Schremp seems to be smarter in the offensive zone and seems to be able to get into good scoring areas. I see him as a guy that may be able to score 35-45.
 

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what about his other 5 NHL camps?

I don't really care to be honest with you. I think Schremp will probably do alright in the NHL. I don't think he will ever score anywhere near 100 and I don't think he will light the lamp for 30 in his first season. He is an offence only player who is small and not that great of a skater. He will excel on the PP but 5 on 5 will probably end up being a little more average than Oiler fans want to admit.

Five NHL camps? OMG, apparently I have been labouring under a false impression. I thought Schremp was a 19 year old junior who had been drafted by Edmonton. Apparently he is really Jani Rita, who has actually been to more than one NHL camp. :sarcasm:

Why post if you don't care? Could it be the usual rivalry surfacing forcing you to take shots at Oiler prospects just out of habit? :shakehead

I don't see any Oil fans claiming Scremp will be another Gretz, but that doesn't mean he won't be good for a point a game or better in a two or three seasons down the road. When he makes the Oil next year a 50 point season would not be an unreasonable rookie expectation for someone of his skill level.
 

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Five NHL camps? OMG, apparently I have been labouring under a false impression. I thought Schremp was a 19 year old junior who had been drafted by Edmonton. Apparently he is really Jani Rita, who has actually been to more than one NHL camp. :sarcasm:

Why post if you don't care? Could it be the usual rivalry surfacing forcing you to take shots at Oiler prospects just out of habit? :shakehead

I don't see any Oil fans claiming Scremp will be another Gretz, but that doesn't mean he won't be good for a point a game or better in a two or three seasons down the road. When he makes the Oil next year a 50 point season would not be an unreasonable rookie expectation for someone of his skill level.

The oiler fan who started this thread said Schremp will be good for 110 points a season- rather Gretzky like don't you think? I am not taking shots at Oiler prospects. If you read my other posts in here I just said that he is lacking the size and speed to be a successful and dominant first line player in this league, at least not 5 on 5. I don't think he will choke like Brendl but I think a good 30 goal scorer and PP specialist he will be.
 

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Has anyone watched Cogliano at the WJC? Why are the announcers saying that he plays on the perimeter? I heard he was benched in game 2? That's all the Oilers need playing teams like Calgary and Vancouver....
 

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I think too many people on here rag on Schremp with regards to his skating abilities. Is he fast? No, he isn't fast. But he isn't a really bad skater either. Once again, the whole speed thing is really blown out of proportion. Let's not forget that a lot of people on these boards said that Mike Richards would always be a cut below because of his skating and his skating has been fine.

Sometimes, the slower players turn out to be better players because they have that knack to slow down the game to their pace and can really dominate. If you want to talk about poor skating, watch Michal Handzus sometime. And when you consider that Schremp's skating ability is much better than Handzus' ability, you can all breathe a sigh of relief. Robbie Schremp is going to be a high scoring player for the Oilers. He won't be the traditional speedster that the Oilers always use, but he'll be really effective none the less.
 
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