Value of: Oilers 1st 2021, 1st 2022, and 2nd 2022

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  1. Double Dion Jets fan 28/06/2014

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    I'm don't even think their 1st would be enough. 1 year of Marleau, a better player, cost a 1st to move out in better cap circumstances. Neal has 2 years left and is worse.
     
  2. ManofSteel55 Registered User

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    If they trade both those players, they won't get a ton more than that. Rakell will bring a first with maybe a small add. Gibson would get a 1st, but not much more, which is why they won't trade him at all.
     
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    Agreed.
    In a flat cap world, Any team trading for Neal will be asking for the moon.
    It's 2M$ of dead cap space for 4 years for any team buying him out.
     
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    No team will ever pay the Marleau price again. Toronto painted themselves into a corner there, Marleau as a buy out would have cost them full cap hit due to his age when he signed. Neal at a buyout would cost less per season. But it doesn't matter, the Oilers aren't paying anyone to take James Neal.
     
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    Sounds like we are on the same page that the Ducks would laugh at that offer and keep their best player and Rakell who should easily get more then a low 1st...
     
  6. Double Dion Jets fan 28/06/2014

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    Disagree with you on Gibson. He's one of the best goaltenders in the league. Anaheim would be Buffalo bad without him. Only way he'd only bring back a 1st is if Anaheim wasn't taking any salary back and the 1st was a top 10ish pick.
     
  7. Double Dion Jets fan 28/06/2014

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    They should buy him out yes. Just saying it would cost more than a 1st to unload Neal. Edmonton's goaltending has shocked me this season. I was certain it would be their undoing, not a team strength. Goaltenders are voodoo. Oilers need to strike now while their goalies are playing well.
     
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    EDM may not like it, but they'll need cap space in order to fill their 1G spot, and get a couple of good dman.

    It'll cost them some future acquiring said cap space!
     
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    Gibson gets maybe a high 1st in offseason + ... but not a contenders 1st... if it was a team like the leafs/avs/oilers... it would be a 1st + good prospect + 3rd piece.

    I think Rakell gets significantly more than a 1st also... pending cap dumps/retention. Palmeiri basically got that and is expiring contract... you get rakell for 2 runs at a very good #
     
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    Tyler bozak and vince dunn

    1st 2022 and 2nd 2021 full retention on both
    We can also talk about a winger as well.
     
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    Meh if your team has a Mcdavid and Draisaitl and you’re definitely in the playoffs its always a good idea to go all in imo
     
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    That wouldn’t even get you Gibson by himself. That’s two non lottery 1st for an elite and cost controlled goalie in and thru his prime. No way Anaheim goes for that as it creates a crater in their organization for magic beans.

    Conversely, it’s a big overpay for Rakell.
     
  13. ManofSteel55 Registered User

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    I think with Gibson, the only way he gets anything is if he asks for a trade, and then his cost goes down significantly, but otherwise, you are correct.

    Rakell won't get much more than a 1st in my opinion. Depending on cap dumps, as you said. If we are sending an ucpoming UFA, like Chaisson for example, I don't think that changes the value, its just the cost of doing business when roughly 5 teams have cap space. If its someone with longer term, or a buyout contract, then yes, it would cost more.
     
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    I’d be all about someone like Saad or Burakovsky and Avs 2021 1st for RNH.
     
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    We'll just pull 15 mil in cap space out of our butts, then?

    I don't think the Nucks will be able to trade anyone with their Covid situation anyway.
     
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    We have cap space for that coming this offseason actually. We won't be able to sign an 8 million dollar goalie of course, but we have space to upgrade on what we have. We have some buyout penalties expiring and decreasing this year, Kris Russell's extension at a fraction of his current salary takes effect, we get a few million in players like Chaisson leaving, and probably get a couple of million in James Neal buyout (which balances with the expiring buyout penalties I guess). If we re-sign the defensemen we have, we don't need to find anymore. That shouldn't cost much more than it does now (Barrie should get a raise, Larsson should get extended at a lower hit or will leave as a UFA).
     
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    I would guess he gets a 1st + 2nd value... lot of teams would love to add a top 6 forward.... With palmeiri off, hall is prob the next best option then rakell... and i think a lot of people would prefer adding a rakell to their team than a hall.

    Might be 1st + prospect, 1st + 3rd/4th + prospect... but i doubt he goes for a flat 1st.... i also assume mos teams asking would love for anaheim to retain, and potentailly take back cap to help facilitate other moves.
     
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    Would keep Samo and trade Broberg.... but who am I
     
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    I'd give you Anthony Mantha @30% retention.
     
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    I could see a 1st and a prospect. But you need to think of this part too. With the Islanders spending their wad on Palmeiri and Zajac, and another team likely spending their spare room on Hall (Florida maybe?), the list of interested teams will go down. Which could mean that Rakell's demand goes down as well. Of course, as an RFA, if the demand goes too low, Anaheim just keeps him and hopes for a better offer next year.

    I would agree that the 1st + prospect or 1st, depth pick and prospect options are plausible though. All depends on what prospects they want.
     
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    I would imagine the list is still pretty good
    Oilers, Avs, Bruins, Leafs, Canadians, Jets, Hurricanes

    Maybe a dark horse like Nashville, or Wild jump in.

    Hell at 1.9 maybe Tampa jumps in.

    The palmeiri move could potentially make teams more desperate to add a player to their roster, cause that islander team looks pretty legit now.
     
  22. McSuper 5-14-6-1

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    Why ? We can buy him out and not waste assets to move him .
     
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    I would think that having 5.75m space for 2 years outweighs the buyout of 1.9m for 4 years... just feel like those extra 2 years on a buyout penalty could bite you in the butt later on. I guess if the cap is going up it’s not that bad.

    Take it from the team that is paying Stone and Brower right now.

    Edit: you’re also paying Sekera still
     
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    Yeah, we have Sekera still, but his buyout penalty drops after this season is over. And Pouliot's is done. We are losing 2.3M in buyout penalty this summer, so if you think about it, we could add Neal's 1.9 and still have a little more cap space than we did at the start of this season. Still not as good as having no buyouts of course.
     
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    I think Edmonton as a team should find every way possible to avoid a Neal buyout. Because honestly, a 3C, another solid LD, and a top 6 LW would go a long way for them.
     

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