Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread 3 - No draft trades? We're all gonna die
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DaveG
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I think this is where I am on a potential trade for JvR as well. I'd easily offer up the 18 1st for him (after July 1st and an extension can be agreed to) as well as one of our prospects outside the Fleury, Goat, Bean, Necas tier. Not sure how enticing any of them would be for Toronto though, unless they think Carrick is ready for the show. Might even be willing to do a 1st + PDG for him honestly since they'd want a roster player to replace him.
bleedgreen
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I don't think it's a coincidence we're hearing about Ryan resigning the day after the expansion/entry drafts have passed. We were supposed to get a player from expansion and our extra picks were supposed to yield another. I don't view it as a failure on Rf's part, the deals have to be there. Still, we obviously aren't going to be free agent players so now he gets right back to Ryan to make sure we don't go backwards from last year.
I feel the chances of a top 6 center slipping away. Maybe free agency will shake something loose.
I feel the chances of a top 6 center slipping away. Maybe free agency will shake something loose.
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Williams is still 40-50 pts player, Bonino is useful offensive third liner. Hanzal is strictly defensive specialist, i don't see a fit. I don't know, maybe minor move like Grabner or something like that. But we need at least another forward.
Roboturner913
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I've seen more than a few mentions of Nick Bonino as a possible acquisition for this team. Look at Bonino vs Derek Ryan and tell me the difference.
Bonino had 37 points in 80 games, Ryan had 29 in 67 games.
.462 ppg vs. .432 ppg
29.7% points scored on PP for Bonino vs. 27.5% for Ryan
-5 for Bonino vs. -8 for Ryan
47.98 FO% for Bonino vs. 55.3% for Ryan
But the major difference between the two, Bonino is going to get $3 million+ in free agency whereas Ryan will get half that at most. So what's the better value play here?
Bonino had 37 points in 80 games, Ryan had 29 in 67 games.
.462 ppg vs. .432 ppg
29.7% points scored on PP for Bonino vs. 27.5% for Ryan
-5 for Bonino vs. -8 for Ryan
47.98 FO% for Bonino vs. 55.3% for Ryan
But the major difference between the two, Bonino is going to get $3 million+ in free agency whereas Ryan will get half that at most. So what's the better value play here?
DaveG
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I think you're right in about RF making sure we don't slip back.
But given where we are in relation to the cap floor we literally HAVE to sign someone in UFA or make a trade just to be above that point. I'm starting to think less Bonino after this Ryan news and more something like Williams + Wingels.
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Re: the tweet about Ryan.
1). Why do we think the oilers beat writer, the same one who bought into the Faulk wants out rumor and the same one who was convinced Faulk would be traded for Eberle last year, is a credible source on the Canes signings?
2)Assuming he's right, I'd have no issue signing Ryan as a 4th line Center. I know everyone is pencilling in Wallmark , but Ryan would likely be better next season. Don't want Ryan as a regular in the top 9 though.
DaveG
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I'm OK with either Ryan or Wallmark. IMHO Wallmark's the better defensive player, Ryan definitely the more proven player.
As for why to believe him? There's no reason not to in this case. We struck out in draft day trades, and Peters LOVES the guy as a player. If we do re-sign him I just hope he doesn't become the new Char for our fanbase, as that would mean we're failing to develop anything as an org again. Thankfully I have more trust in Francis then I do in "Ryan Reaves for a 1st" Rutherford
As for why to believe him? There's no reason not to in this case. We struck out in draft day trades, and Peters LOVES the guy as a player. If we do re-sign him I just hope he doesn't become the new Char for our fanbase, as that would mean we're failing to develop anything as an org again. Thankfully I have more trust in Francis then I do in "Ryan Reaves for a 1st" Rutherford
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I heard somewhere this weekend that the '18 draft is loaded. And teams already know this and aren't willing to move '18 draft picks.
Don't know how true that is, but if it is maybe a '18 1st alone will get JVR done.
Don't know how true that is, but if it is maybe a '18 1st alone will get JVR done.
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Probably because why the hell would he pull a Derek Ryan rumor out of his butt? I don't have a problem with him as a fourth liner either, but the significant raise part gives me pause. We'll see what it amounts to if he does sign. Significant raise means something different to everyone. And of course, after Francis talking about working the phones to add a forward, the weekend passes, and then this comes out, just makes it seem like this is his fall back plan. Granted, I think he's still out there looking for other things, it's just the timing of it all. This is close to the meltdown I was expecting last thread though.
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Irrespective of Ryan, not sure how anyone could even hint that we're failing to develop anything as an org. Skinner, Lindholm, Rask, Aho, PDG, McGinn, Faulk, Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin, Fleury all drafted/developed by the Canes and 7 of those guys weren't 1st rounders.
Back on point, regardless of what happens with Ryan, RF has to add more help up front. Counting on no injuries, another career year from Skinner, and younger guys taking the next step is not going to cut it in the Metro.
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Fair enough. I've just seen Stauffer pulling a lot of stuff out of his butt the past few years to make me at least a little skeptical. 
Hulkacaniac
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Yes, throw money short term at Dadonov. He probably goes to Vegas, though.
dogbazinho
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Kuznetsov offer sheet. Win win. OK Francises loses that respect you guys keep talking about but shuts up alot of people. Makes an agent happy. Gives a competitor some cap troubles...
Aho – Staal – TT
X – Rask – Lindholm
Skinner – Ryan – Stempniak
Nordstrom – Wallmark/Trade/UFA – McGinn/PDG
McGinn/PDG
I'd be disappointed, but I could understand if Ryan is the 3C come October. There's just not much rumored to be available via trade or on track to hit free agency in July at the center position.
There is enough at the wing position that the Canes should be able to bring in a guy with a history of middle-6 production. Signing a 4th liner, with the intention of again rotating PDG/McGinn/Nordstrom in that X spot is simply not good enough. GMRF would deserve the criticism he would get if that's how it plays out.
X – Rask – Lindholm
Skinner – Ryan – Stempniak
Nordstrom – Wallmark/Trade/UFA – McGinn/PDG
McGinn/PDG
I'd be disappointed, but I could understand if Ryan is the 3C come October. There's just not much rumored to be available via trade or on track to hit free agency in July at the center position.
There is enough at the wing position that the Canes should be able to bring in a guy with a history of middle-6 production. Signing a 4th liner, with the intention of again rotating PDG/McGinn/Nordstrom in that X spot is simply not good enough. GMRF would deserve the criticism he would get if that's how it plays out.
bleedgreen
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I keep seeing people put Skinner on the third line in these mock lineups.
Bro scored almost forty goals. Pretty sure he's our only first liner, with maybe Aho making a move closer this year.
I know it's about spreading out the lineup, but I can't put the guy anywhere but number 1.
Bro scored almost forty goals. Pretty sure he's our only first liner, with maybe Aho making a move closer this year.
I know it's about spreading out the lineup, but I can't put the guy anywhere but number 1.
DaveG
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I think that's more a matter of he's going to produce with whoever we put him with, so we put him with 3rd line quality (aside from maybe TT) linemates more then anything.
cptjeff
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Skinner was our best forward last year by miles. Put him on the top line and give him whatever support he wants. He should absolutely never be taking a regular shift on a line centered by Derek friggin' Ryan. Bad players can and do drag the production of good players down.
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Just saw rumor about Ryan - I am fine with him getting 1-1,25 million, only if he is playing 4C and maybe some PP minutes, but not the first PP line. More money or bigger role in this team for him is just not what we need. He is weak, making many mistakes, and last season he got to much ice time. I dont care if Peters likes him, we need go further and not stay put, and with player like him on 2nd line, first PP role we will not move further for sure. Our team should not be charity show to get someone his dream come true to be a first liner.
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So I guess you will play 4th line for Canes next season? Congrats mate, you made it!
P.S It`s not meant to be rude or something, just so you know
AD Skinner
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Once FA kicks in and teams start signing players, other names we aren't yet considering will start shaking loose from those teams for trades, I think. RF is smart, and will do enough to at least get us thro this year I think. It may be a fluid situation for us until our own young guy are ready to step in. I would actually prefer that to signing some deal that would block our core team from evolving. Just my opinion.
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