HF Habs: Official Montreal Canadiens Off-Season Thread

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  1. NotProkofievian

    NotProkofievian Registered User

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    People like to talk **** about teams that have rebuilt, but if they had to choose, they'd definitely choose the tanker's roster. There's just more to work with.
     
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    i'm not sure how else to explain it to you, but you seem to be completely missing the point.

    Coaching is a controllable variable. Quite likely the single most important variable when it comes to managing and maximizing performance.

    As such, it is the most important variable to get right in an environment where talent acquisition is not a sustainable advantage.

    Building, growing, developing and maximizing talent falls under the purview of the coaching staff. Get the coaching staff wrong, and you erode talent both in the short and long term.
    Get it right, and you go in the opposite direction.

    that doesn't negate or conflict with the reality that a certain minimum level of talent is necessary and that acquiring talent is an important priority.
     
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  3. King In Glory

    King In Glory Getting Schwifty

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    I can't shake this re-occuring nightmare where we win the lottery for 2nd place and somehow we don't draft Svechnikov...Someone please reassure me.
     
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    Maybe if you could tone down the condescending tone - it would help.

    I'm not an idiot, I completely understand what you're saying - we agree on certain things but not on others. That doesn't mean I'm missing the point, it means I disagree.

    After I wrote that coaching is overstated in terms of X's & O's...you agreed with me an reiterated that coaches are more required to handle personalities these days, which is why choosing the right person matters.

    We both agree on this - and we both agree that Claude Julien is exponentially better at this particular aspect than Michel Therrien ever was.

    But before you and I started debating this, I was talking with another poster not about Michel Therrien or Claude Julien or head coaches, but about the assistant coach job of JJD.

    And here's where we disagree...

    I think coaches can get more out of talented players because talented players have more to give. Thus talent, IMO, trumps coaching (it's a simplified answer for the purpose of this post - but it's not JUST what it comes down too obviously., nothing is every that simple).


    And IMO, even more important than the identity or abilities of the individual of the coach behind the bench.

    A dozen years ago Mike Sullivan was laughed out of Boston for the job he did....he was fired by Chiarelli.

    He never saw time behind an NHL bench until he was named as head coach of the Pittsburgh Penguins replacing Mike Johnston...

    he's now won back to back Cups...is it because he's turned into a genius head coach since he was last fired?

    Or is it because he's now coaching a Corsby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, etc?

    Drill it down further...

    Mike Sullivan's first year as head coach of the Boston Bruins, his team finished with over 100pts and 41 wins before getting upset in the 1st round by the Habs.

    The GM at the time, Mike O'Connell, decides to do the Joe Thornton trade (which we all know how awful it was).

    The next year, the Bruins miss the playoffs and Mike Sullivan is canned.

    what happened in 1 offseason, did Mike Sullivan forget how to coach?

    or did his GM get rid of some important players (talent) which significantly reduced Sullivan's ability to get more out of his team?
     
  5. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    Bergevin was there for his 5 point game in the playoffs
     
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  6. King In Glory

    King In Glory Getting Schwifty

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    Still not reassured...

    He probably will say that he prefers a player who is more responsible defensively.:sarcasm:
     
  7. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Formerly Shutehinside

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    Good news is we have literally no players, coach, management or owners from that time.
     
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    the sad part is....we might be better off if we did
     
  9. groovejuice

    groovejuice Without deviation progress is not possible

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    I think that makes him more likely to trade 2OA than actually drafting Svechnikov. I believe Bergevin will go with BAA rather than BPA.
     
  10. Sterling Archer

    Sterling Archer Formerly Shutehinside

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    I’m sure that’s what you thought at the time too.
     
  11. Habs Icing

    Habs Icing Formerly Onice

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    The only one who can reassure you is The Idiot.
     
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    Keep the pics...trade Patches for a 2nd line center or 1st pairing LD. Try to hit some homeruns in free agency...depending on what patches is traded for...go after 2 centers or 1 center and 1 LD
     
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    I hope the habs will get better fast, but put you in the place of tavares, you probably want to join a good team if you are going to left the NYI. The habs is really on the top of your list ?
     
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    Maybe you missed the part in your dream where Svechnikov was picked 1st overall, ahead of Dahlin? Feel better?
     
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    You don't even believe the head coach has any influence on player development so I don't think this would surprise anyone.
     
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    I'm sorry that offends you.
     
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    Why would it offend me?
     
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    Here's hoping that this off-season is the complete and utter opposite of last off-season.

    Dilly Dilly! :cheers:
     
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    Per Sjoblom Registered User Sponsor

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    You already know that it will be Tkachuk.

    ;)
     
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    The draft and the Paccioretty trade will be very important for this team's medium term future.
     
  21. G0bias

    G0bias B L O O D L I N E S

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    I find it funny that some are quick to point to Stephane Waite as one of Bergevin's best moves, having a great deal to do with Price being the player he is today.

    But when comes the possibility of Bergevin hiring a bum like Lefevbre in a similar role, it's suddenly not a big deal and has no impact on players development or the games.

    Can't wait for JJD to tell Dahlin to dump the puck out.
     
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    And he better f'n listen. Or else....
     
  23. montreal

    montreal Go Habs Go

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    If it were me, even Waite wouldn't be safe when your 10.5M goalie just had his worst season in his career by far. Unless of course they feel there was a legit reason, like something in his home life, injury impacted him, etc... since we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but if not you can't have a goalie that was one of the best players in the NHL turn into one of the worst in one year unless the knee injuries are really taking their toll.
     
  24. OldCraig71

    OldCraig71 I can't take it any more.

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    I can reassure you, we are not drafting a Russian player in the first round with Julien as our coach.
     
  25. Sterling Archer

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    They’re close. It’s a small number of teams that are 1) able to afford him 2) have the pieces in place to be a contender for a long time.

    Montreal meets both criteria. Montreal is the only hockey market of the teams available where a player like Tavares can be recognized as the star he is and can leave a legacy that no other team can offer. We have what the nhl players deem as the best goalie and too game changer in Price and one of the hardest to play against and most respected people in Weber. Not to mention a ton of young talent as a support cast and more than enough money to fill any gaps. Add Tavares to the equation and he makes the difference on a team who was top in the Atlantic just a year ago and had catastrophic loses to our two key players all year.

    I’m not saying he will sign. No one knows. I’m saying we’re just as much a landing spot as anyone else and more than most.
     
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