Official Coyotes 2019-20 Season Roster Discussion

[Bonsai Tree]

Would Fischer and Raanta get us Kadri? I have to think that the pressure is on Toronto to fix their net issues. I was listening to that last game against Tampa Bay and it was like TB was playing pond hockey with 7 goals.

 

[Jamieh]

Would Fischer and Raanta get us Kadri? I have to think that the pressure is on Toronto to fix their net issues. I was listening to that last game against Tampa Bay and it was like TB was playing pond hockey with 7 goals.

Kadri is in Colorado. Raanta isn't better than Andersson. Toronto has a defense issue, not a goalie issue.

 

[Schemp]

It's still too early in the season to talk about trading a goalie. Raanta needs to get some games in. Comrie needs to be sent down for a conditional stint. Injuries need to happen ( other teams, not us).
Keep an eye on NJ, would love to add Hall. Columbus is using 2 backups, but Josh Anderson is out with a shoulder injury and I doubt they'll move Seth Jones. Wennberg, maybe, but then why? Not a need.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Kadri is in Colorado. Raanta isn't better than Andersson. Toronto has a defense issue, not a goalie issue.

Shit. Forgot that. I’ve wanted Kadri for some years now.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Comrie was brought in for a purpose. Even if we let go of Hill we remain stocked at the position without Comrie. I have to think that the Coyotes are going to be dangling a goaltender.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

When was the last time a goalie was moved for a quality roster player?

If we trade Raanta midseason at best it will be for a 2nd or an asset of equivalent value. If a teams trading for a goalie they're doing because they think that's the missing piece to their team taking the next step. We wouldn't be getting a Hall or Kadri.

Raanta provides good insurance if Kuemper is injured or has a bad stretch. A Raanta trade will only help us in the offseason when we can use that money on a different position.

 

[Schemp]

My thinking is to use Raanta to upgrade a position. .: Raanta & Fischer for Josh Anderson.
Or to be included with a conditional pick and roster player(s) for a rental, Hall (who we may convince to re-sign). I don't see any reason to just trade Raanta by himself for futures.
I've also been thinking about moving Lyubushkin to the 'Peg so he can pair up with Kulikov. He is not being utilize here, RFA at the end of the season and 27yo the next season.

 

[Llewzaher]

If Bryan Rust wasn’t hurt, he’d be a good candidate. Bryan Little, too. Does this package and a plus get us a sniff at Zucker? Maybe Craig Smith in Nashville?

Ooh Zucker would be great..

Make it happen Chayka.

Goligoski and Fischer and ? (2nd)

For Zucker and ?

 

[Llewzaher]

My thinking is to use Raanta to upgrade a position. .: Raanta & Fischer for Josh Anderson.
Or to be included with a conditional pick and roster player(s) for a rental, Hall (who we may convince to re-sign). I don't see any reason to just trade Raanta by himself for futures.
I've also been thinking about moving Lyubushkin to the 'Peg so he can pair up with Kulikov. He is not being utilize here, RFA at the end of the season and 27yo the next season.

I sure dont want to trade Raanta .....yet

 

[Jamieh]

****. Forgot that. I’ve wanted Kadri for some years now.

Yeah I'm a big fan as well. Decent talent, plays both ends, and gets dirty. What's not to like.

 

[rt]

Ooh Zucker would be great..

Make it happen Chayka.

Goligoski and Fischer and ? (2nd)

For Zucker and ?

Seeler and a 4th?

Goligoski+Fischer+2nd for Zucker+Seeler+4th?

 

[_Del_]

Not sure why Minnesota does that, but okay by me.

 

[Jakey53]

3 games into the season only, patience Our PP needs Keller/Kessel/OEL to produce, add any parts to them.

I don't mind giving Fischer a chance this year to rebound from last year, but he has no business to be on the PP. He was there all last year with no results so I see no need to repeat our mistake again. Also, the only reason I would give Stepan a chance on the PP this year is because he was pretty good two years ago, but his leash should be short.

 

[XX]

Roadrunners have a top 5 PP and that was before they scored on 3/6 tonight. Time to call up John Slaney.

 

[rt]

Not sure why Minnesota does that, but okay by me.

Goligoski ain’t going anywhere now anyway. Poor Hjalmarsson. Poor us.

 

[rt]

We have to get another PP weapon ASAP.

Looking at the last four seasons combined, names that are not likely to be totally untouchable:

4. Hoffman
5. Benn
8. Simmonds
10. Hornqvist
11. Palmieri
42. van Riemsdyk
44. Okposo
46. Henrique

...if you filter by just two seasons or three, Cam Atkinson and Jason Zucker appear bear the bottom of the list.m, too.

So maybe those are 10 names worth considering.

 

[rt]

Also noticed that Drouin is shockingly high among forwards in PPP over the last few years. Ranks 30th. Kessel ranks 2nd.

depressing to see Galchenyuk so high on these lists too. I still wish so much we could have swing that deal without him involved. Oh well. Tocchet seemed to have zero trust in him anyway. But still. We need another credible threat on the PP. we need someone that PKs see as a a goal scoring option other than Phil. His being the only piece worth worrying about isn’t working. He needs another option out there to buy himself time and space.

wish we got hoffman when we had the chance.

PP1:
Hoffman-Schmaltz-Keller
OEL-Kessel

 

[SniperHF]

is shockingly high among forwards in PPp

Just as sort of a counterpoint I guess, adding good PP players hasn't seemed to help our PP at all. And that includes Phil

 

[WrinkledPossum]

We have to get another PP weapon ASAP.

Looking at the last four seasons combined, names that are not likely to be totally untouchable:

4. Hoffman
5. Benn
8. Simmonds
10. Hornqvist
11. Palmieri
42. van Riemsdyk
44. Okposo
46. Henrique

...if you filter by just two seasons or three, Cam Atkinson and Jason Zucker appear bear the bottom of the list.m, too.

So maybe those are 10 names worth considering.

I think Hornqvist, JVR, and Okposo would be the easiest to obtain. I wouldn't want any of their contracts.

Hoffman would cost too much, and I don't think Florida would want to move him.

I think our issue on the PP is at C, and maintaining possession in the offensive zone. I wonder how Hayton would do at C. Or try Dvo instead of Stepan. Maybe see how Crouse does in front of the net and on the forechek.

 

[cobra427]

I think Hornqvist, JVR, and Okposo would be the easiest to obtain. I wouldn't want any of their contracts.

Hoffman would cost too much, and I don't think Florida would want to move him.

I think our issue on the PP is at C, and maintaining possession in the offensive zone. I wonder how Hayton would do at C. Or try Dvo instead of Stepan. Maybe see how Crouse does in front of the net and on the forechek.

I think our PP trouble is lack of cohesion. With Kessel/OEL/Keller/Schmaltz, we have plenty of PP skill now. Stepan isn't the problem, Crouse isn't the solution, but Hayton could help us. It was starting to look better last night, timing is just off at different times. It will start working better, then away we go. I don't think it is a personnel issue, just some timing and execution.

 

[rt]

I’d take JvR. Not sure Philly would shop him.

 

[Ebb]

I'd like to see the following on the PP...

Keller - Soderberg - Kessel - OEL - ?
Crouse - Dvo - Hinostroza - Chychrun - ?

Try Garland - Hayton - Schmaltz - Oesterle - ? if one of the above falls flat

 

[Jakey53]

I think Hornqvist, JVR, and Okposo would be the easiest to obtain. I wouldn't want any of their contracts.

Hoffman would cost too much, and I don't think Florida would want to move him.

I think our issue on the PP is at C, and maintaining possession in the offensive zone. I wonder how Hayton would do at C. Or try Dvo instead of Stepan. Maybe see how Crouse does in front of the net and on the forechek.

Could not agree more. I know I sound like a broken record, but Stepan, again, had the most TOI of any forward. He had the most PP TOI of any forwards, tied with Kessel and Keller. Last game Fischer was on the PP, then scratched the next game. If Housley is running the PP, he's not much better than MacLean. I know it's only three games and our PP looked a bit better but still had goose eggs.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

While I agree that there has been poor cohesion on the PP (OEL has not looked good), swapping Stepan out would help fix that IMO. I don't think there's ever been a time where I thought Keller and Stepan had chemistry together. It seems like they've been on the same line a lot over the last year and it's never really worked. I don't know what he contributes to the PP either, he's very avg offensively, avg at FOs. Dvorak has 67% at faceoffs to start this year and is a more creative player. Give him a shot on the first unit. He's had some good moments with Schmaltz this year and Keller last.

I'd try,

Keller-Dvorak-Kessel
Schmaltz-OEL

If we're against a heavier team go with

Crouse-Dvorak-Kessel
Keller-OEL
Swap Kessel and Keller if that works better, I think Phil may have played a "D" spot on the Pens PP....

Crouse would be our version of Hornqvist on the PP. Presence in front of the net and wouldn't let anyone, particularly Keller, get bullied on the boards. Losing battles in the O zone and turning it over has been a problem...

 

[XX]

It's a coaching issue, not a personnel issue. Often the 2nd unit looks better than the first. As they've added more talent, they've looked worse.