Official 2019 Draft Thread

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  1. deadhead

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    How about asset accumulation?
    The point isn't to tank, for one thing you can't guarantee the #1 pick, or even a top 3 pick.
    But you can sell at the TDL for inflated value, then take those assets into June and make a couple major deals to reshape your roster.
    This team needs a makeover, both to add youth and speed, and to change the team's psychology.
     
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    The need for a veteran top 4 defenseman is only glaringly obvious because of the performance of what should've been (and what was last year) the team's two best defensemen. There is no one on the team to pick up the slack in the SHORT TERM and in theory there shouldn't be an issue in the future.
     
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    I agree it takes more but the Flyers are in a unique position most tankers are not. They have depth in the prospect pool and young roster players already. Most tankers have nothing. One elite player could push them over the top. I think the Flyers current position is exactly like what Winnipeg was before they got Laine.
     
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    Is what it is. Only about 1 in 5 chance the bottom team gets Hughes. But that’s ok. I think as long as you top 5 you are ok. 2-5 have pretty similar odds at getting the top pick. You’ll get a very good player even if it’s not Hughes. Couts - Patrick - Frost should be good enough in 2 years. Teams like ours aren’t supposed to get guys like Hughes. We’d prob be the top team by a mile in a few years.
     
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    The tank does a few things:

    1. ****ting the bed so the Flyers get a legit NHL coach (such as Q) for the pre-season and full season.
    2. ****ting the bed so that the Flyers can add onto their already impressive pool of young players.
    3. ****ting the bed would probably also kick out older, more expensive players and give more room for younger and better players. Players better suited for today's NHL.

    Also, if we did get Kakko, I'd be so ****ing happy if he basically became Laine.
     
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    Edmonton sucks because they keep hiring morons to run their team not because they tanked/bottomed out.
     
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    And because they're trying to build only on the backs of those high forward picks.

    Meanwhile we have 3 great young defensemen, another on the way, really good goalie prospects, and a ton of young forward depth on the team and on the way who would be backing up a guy like Hughes.
     
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    god when did Meltzer become such a whiny tool?

    this team won't make the playoffs, so what is wrong with fans wanting the best possible draft pick? does Meltzer think 7th or 8th overall is somehow better than 1st or 2nd in a draft?

    of course it doesn't guarantee future success, no one is saying it does, but if you can land a potential future franchise 1C, you go for it.

    fixing the roster's problems for next year would be much easier with Hughes than without him. nobody should take anything Meltzer says seriously anymore. guy just whines all the time about fans. he's nothing more than a shill.
     
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    Exactly. I've said it's a 7 year rebuild, which is the norm, might have been a year faster if Hextall trades Simmonds and Voracek in 2014 or 2015.
    Winnipeg missed the playoffs 7 straight years, then got 98 points and a first round exit in 2014-15.
    Next year they collapsed and got 78 points, picked Laine at #2.
    Following season 87 points, then 114 points. this year on a 110 point pace.

    2015-16 season they already had Scheifele (22), Ehlers (19), Copp (21) and Lowry (22) at forward, Myers (25) and Trouba (21) on defense.
    Veterans: Wheeler (29), Little (28), Perrault (28), Stafford (30), Ladd (30), Byfuglien (30), Enstrom (30)
    Hellebuyck (22) started 26 games as a rookie.

    Ladd left in FA, 2016, Enstrom 2018

    Morrisey (#13-2013) emerged in 2016-17
    Conner (#17-2015) emerged in 2017-18.
    Hellebuyck at 24 became a top NHL goalie.

    A top forward, and some patience with the young talent already in their system fueled their rebound.
     
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    We don’t need a Gostisbehere playing down the middle for us now too!
     
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    They needed them a month ago and they need them long-term, but they no longer need them for the rest of the season because its over.
     
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    It's convenient Big Bill didn't mention coaching as a problem. It's funny how he forgot that one.

    Yeah, Bill, sure Edmonton. Right. :shakehead

    #LoseForHughes

    #CrappoForKakko :dunno:
     
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    His argument is Hughes/Kakko wouldn't be saviors and solve every single problem in the organization. K......? Who said that? Seems like a strawman. Acquiring elite talent, last time I checked, doesn't seem like a bad thing to me but hey.

    He also had a more recent tweet saying how JVR didn't turn around the team compared to Timonen, Briere, Hartnell, etc. As if JVR was a similar talent to Hughes; he didn't even play for 2 years. And who isn't SCREAMING to hire a great coach and target someone like Panarin/Karlsson/Stone or look into trade options? It's rather ironic actually that someone who has defended the coaches and crappy veterans on many occasions -- arguing against change essentially, or at least in favor of status quo -- laments that fans don't see that wholesale changes must be made.
     
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    If the parameters of the Flyers being a good team again centers around acquiring a top 9 center, top four defensemen, & a starting goalie. Legitimately too (no Filppula’s or MacDonald’s). We’re probably not going to be good for a while then.
     
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    As for tanking, I don't want them to purposefully tank. That requires trading actually good players.

    Their whole idea of "winning culture" is a farce anyway. Much good it has done them building this fiction up from the AHL to the NHL level. They don't know what "winning culture" is. They just glue on a nice buzz word to their own faulty preconceived notions and act flabbergasted at the results. You get a winning culture by acquiring talent at every level of an organization, not just the players, and then winning. Losing does not have to be the antithesis to winning culture if the former is in place. But sure, give anecdotal evidence to prove otherwise, rife with faulty cause and effect logic.

    I don't want them to tank; I want them to accept defeat and not let pride get in the way. Take it away, Marcellus.....

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    .... and Edmonton needed a vet like Lucic. Meltzer probably thought that was a key move the Oilers made.
     
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    I am surprised he didn’t try to sell a Santa sack at the end of his little diatribe.
     
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    It is actually crazy when you look at it how few per draft there are:

    2000: Vermette, Stoll
    2001: Spezza, Koivu, Plekanec, Laich, Roy, Weiss
    2002: Nielsen, Filppula, Stajan
    2003: Getzlaf, Staal, Carter, Richards, Bergeron, Pavelski, Kesler, Backes
    2004: Malkin, Krejci, Dubinsky, Zajac, Grabovski, Soderberg
    2005: Crosby, Kopitar, Stastny, Hanzal
    2006: Backstrom, Giroux, Toews, Little, Staal, Anisimov
    2007: Couture, Benn, Turris, Gagner, Backlund
    2008: Stamkos, Stepan, Henrique
    2009: Tavares, Duchene, O'Reilly, Schenn, Kadri
    2010: Seguin, Johansen, Kuznetsov, Granlund, Coyle, Hayes, Nelson
    2011: Schiefele, Couturier, Nugent-Hopkins, Zibanejad, Trocheck, Karlsson, Miller
    2012: Hertl, Galchenyuk
    2013: MacKinnon, Monahan, Barkov, Lindholm, Horvat, Wennberg


    By my count 70 guys in 14 years... so 5 a year.
     
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    Meltzer can't actually advocate tanking. Spare us the holier than thou attitude though.
     
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    Also from the 2012 draft...

    Laughton is like the the 6th best C at worst:

    Hertl, Galchenyuk, Faksa, Tierney, Kerfoot...
     
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    Its the way he words it. Its antagonistic towards the fanbase.
     
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    Don't know much about Kakko but damn Hughes is exactly what we need. Dude can fly.
     
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    Of course, if you want to obtain assets you can flip in June, you're going to have to trade some of your good players.
    Raffl, Weise, Hagg, Laughton, Weal, aren't going to bring much in value in trades.
    Simmonds, Voracek, JVR could garner a solid haul, and it's not like they're wining games with these guys in the lineup.
    Given they'll be 31, 30, 30 next year, they're win now pieces.
     
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    Raffl and Hagg might... especially at deadline.

    Florida offered a 2nd+ for Raffl a few years ago, coming off a 30pt year... and only reason they did not match Flyers 2x 2nds was they did not think he would re-sign, and instead go back to Philly. He is older now, but going off other deadline deals in last few years could probably get a 2nd-ish.

    Hagg has value around the league. Some teams would see him as a young, 2nd pairing D man. They could probably even get a late 1st for him. Maybe someone would even give more.
     
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    But "would Fletcher be smart enough to trade Hagg", is the real question.
     
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