News: Offer sheet compensation is set for 2019 off-season

[Skinnyjimmy08]

As an Oilers fan I'd happily offersheet one of Kapanen/Johnsson/Labanc or someone like that for only a 2nd rounder.

I actually think offersheets in that salary space could happen this year. Multiple teams should be sending kappy/johnsson those offersheets in a heart beat. A 2nd is nothing

 

[4thline]

I actually think offersheets in that salary space could happen this year. Multiple teams should be sending kappy/johnsson those offersheets in a heart beat. A 2nd is nothing

The issue is making a 4m dollar offer that's better than what the Leafs are likely offering and that doesn't upset the applecart in terms of destabilizing RFA cap structure. Because of his age it's much easier with Johnsson than Kapanen.

Say Leafs are offering right in the range of market value, 2.75x3 for Johnsson (Vatrano/Kase/Bjorkstrand +), 3x2 for Kapanen (Mantha/Reinhart -).

In Kapanen's case a 4x4 or 4x5 isn't that attractive, he's *likely* going to net out higher taking the bridge and signing long term at 25. going 4x2 is a fairly significant overpay, 4x3 less so.

For Johnsson though, a team willing to bet on him and roll out a 4x4, 4x5, that's going to be tempting

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

The issue is making a 4m dollar offer that's better than what the Leafs are likely offering and that doesn't upset the applecart in terms of destabilizing RFA cap structure. Because of his age it's much easier with Johnsson than Kapanen

Do they have the space to sign them both to a 4.2 per year deal? Honest question too.

Heck i wouldnt doubt if 1 or both get a higher offersheet thrown at them. IMO many teams would gladly give up a 1st and 3rd for Kapanen

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Back in the day, teams were allowed to work out a trade before the compensation kicked in, if the player's former team decided not to match (and decided to not take the picks). Is that rule still valid now, or do teams HAVE to accept the picks as compensation?

I believe that is how Curtis Joseph wound up in Edmonton, right? When the Blues signed Shayne Corson as an RFA, Joseph and Mike Grier wound up as Oilers. The Blues took back two of the four first rounders with that move.

There used to also be arbitration to determine valid compensation: i.e. Scott Stevens was awarded to New Jersey by an arbitrator when St. Louis signed Brendan Shanahan as an RFA. Does arbitration still exist for RFA offer sheets?

 

[boredmale]

I wonder if Marner would accept a 4 year 8.4M dollar deal(which basically makes him a UFA at the end of the contract)

 

[boredmale]

I believe that is how Curtis Joseph wound up in Edmonton, right? When the Blues signed Shayne Corson as an RFA, Joseph and Mike Grier wound up as Oilers. The Blues took back two of the four first rounders with that move.

I don't see anything against this, say the compensation for a RFA you signed as a 1,2, and 3, nothing would stop Team A(whose loses the player) trading those picks back to Team B(who signed the player) for something else.

There used to also be arbitration to determine valid compensation: i.e. Scott Stevens was awarded to New Jersey by an arbitrator when St. Louis signed Brendan Shanahan as an RFA. Does arbitration still exist for RFA offer sheets?

This was the way compensation was in the early 90s, this wouldn't happen today.

 

[4thline]

Do they have the space to sign them both to a 4.2 per year deal? Honest question too.

Heck i wouldnt doubt if 1 or both get a higher offersheet thrown at them. IMO many teams would gladly give up a 1st and 3rd for Kapanen

They don't, I expanded my reasoning with an edit, based on the term of a bridge. Agreed on Kapanen, looking at Tuch/Dvorak Schmaltz it seems that there's appetite to role the dice on these guys. A team could go as high as 5.3 x6 and stay in that 1st+3rd range

 

[mouser]

Back in the day, teams were allowed to work out a trade before the compensation kicked in, if the player's former team decided not to match (and decided to not take the picks). Is that rule still valid now, or do teams HAVE to accept the picks as compensation?

I believe that is how Curtis Joseph wound up in Edmonton, right? When the Blues signed Shayne Corson as an RFA, Joseph and Mike Grier wound up as Oilers. The Blues took back two of the four first rounders with that move.

There used to also be arbitration to determine valid compensation: i.e. Scott Stevens was awarded to New Jersey by an arbitrator when St. Louis signed Brendan Shanahan as an RFA. Does arbitration still exist for RFA offer sheets?

They can still work out a trade—they’d just be trading the compensation picks back for something else.

 

[justafan22]

Do they have the space to sign them both to a 4.2 per year deal? Honest question too.

Heck i wouldnt doubt if 1 or both get a higher offersheet thrown at them. IMO many teams would gladly give up a 1st and 3rd for Kapanen

Neither are worth 4+ million at the current moment unless a deal is longer than 3 seasons IMO.

 

[justafan22]

Still too much compensation. Needs to be greatly reduced.

There's a reason why offer sheets happen every summer in the NBA vs never in the NHL

 

[Sun God Nika]

Is Thomas chabot worth 7years 8.4mill right now? All it will cost is a 1st 2nd and 3rd and sens might not match it

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I think this will be the year that we see an offer sheet.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I wonder if Marner would accept a 4 year 8.4M dollar deal(which basically makes him a UFA at the end of the contract)

Lol... Marner is getting $10M minimum.

 

[NotOpie]

Hurricanes maybe a good fit as well. Will need to get over the cap floor.

Given that they have to sign Sebastian Aho, the cap floor isn't an issue.

 

[boredmale]

Lol... Marner is getting $10M minimum.

Probably but you have to remember giving him a 4 year deal brings him right to UFA status the first chance he gets. All that being said Toronto probably macthes that so it probably makes no difference giving him 9.5M(ie 2 first round picks, 2nd and 3rd)

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Is Thomas chabot worth 7years 8.4mill right now? All it will cost is a 1st 2nd and 3rd and sens might not match it

Honestly, Montreal should do this.

I'd even go up to 9-10 mil and give up 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and a 3rd.

No way in hell Melnyk can match that

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Honestly, Montreal should do this.

I'd even go up to 9-10 mil and give up 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and a 3rd.

No way in hell Melnyk can match that

Chabot isn't an RFA until 2020.

 

[justafan22]

Chabot isn't an RFA until 2020.

And offer sheets of big players usually get matched.

 

[Dan Kelly]

Sp who is this Johansson? The Leafs don't have a player with that name.

typo on my part dude!

 

[Dan Kelly]

You might, but the inevitable old boy who will run the Oilers won't

right, we wouldn't want to piss anyone one off would we? but i think more realistically the Oilers will be having serious discussions about Johnsson and Kapanen this summer as well as probably Brown too and likely #8 and other considerations will be on the table.

 

[Menzinger]

right, we wouldn't want to piss anyone one off would we? but i think more realistically the Oilers will be having serious discussions about Johnsson and Kapanen this summer as well as probably Brown too and likely #8 and other considerations will be on the table.

They may want those guys but they will trade for them.

A player hasn't signed an offersheet since 2013. They just dont happen in real life

 

[Dan Kelly]

And with Holland now running the ship in Edmonton, it’s looking much less likely that he’ll be offer sheeting anyone!

 

[Mosby]

If a team wants to offer sheet Marner, they should really tighten the screws on Toronto by hitting Kapanen and/or Johnsson first. Inflate those deals.

 

[horner]

As an Oilers fan I'd happily offersheet one of Kapanen/Johnsson/Labanc or someone like that for only a 2nd rounder.

We will trade kappy and Johnson before an offer sheet.

 

[Cupless44]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Kapanen and Johnsson. I would say they are the most attractive and affordable targets in the NHL for an offer sheet, would cost a team only a 2nd rounder. Leafs will have to be listening to trade offers because they will have trouble matching with their cap.