News: Offer sheet compensation is set for 2019 off-season

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Grand Admiral Thrawn

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Why on earth would he sign an offer sheet with Colorodo? Even if they offer him more money his endorsements would dry up completely in Toronto and would make less overall. He would be moving away from the area he spent his entire life growing. Leaving all his friends and family. It makes no sense by any accord. He is probably the least logical player out of all RFAs to be targeted or to sign an offer sheet. Kapanen or Johansson make tonnes of sense and is very plausible. Marner none.

So Leafs offer Marner 9 to 10 mill tops and another team sends him an offer sheet for 12 mill and he should balk at that extra 2 to 3 mill because he might be homesick or lose an endorsement or two?

Really think Marner won't get an endorsement with his new team?

Come on now?!
 
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So Leafs offer Marner 9 to 10 mill tops and another team sends him an offer sheet for 12 mill and he should balk at that extra 2 to 3 mill because he might be homesick or lose an endorsement or two?

Really think Marner won't get an endorsement with his new team?

Come on now?!

You can't be this obtuse can you? You think the endorsement money in other cities is comparable to that he makes in Toronto? I know you want him to sign an offer sheet for whatever dumbass reason but its not happening. There is 0 chance.
 

Martin Skoula

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But that wouldn't quite be as stupid as signing a UFA to an $11M/year contract when you've got Nylander, Matthews, and Marner all coming up, right?

Hmm...

It's almost like 2 playmaking RFA wingers are good contract comparables while an RFA winger and a UFA goalscoring center aren't good contract comparables at all.
 
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So Leafs offer Marner 9 to 10 mill tops and another team sends him an offer sheet for 12 mill and he should balk at that extra 2 to 3 mill because he might be homesick or lose an endorsement or two?

Really think Marner won't get an endorsement with his new team?

Come on now?!

Theres not a single GM in this league who will pay Marner 12 million AND lose their next 4 1st rounders.

And if the off chance there is better pray they arent running your favorite team. That would be a Chia level idiotic decision
 

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It's almost like 2 playmaking RFA wingers are good contract comparables while an RFA winger and a UFA goalscoring center aren't good contract comparables at all.

Lol, it has nothing to do with UFA and RFA or positions, it has to do with cap space.

You can't say Colorado would be stupid to throw $11M at Marner with Rantanen up while not conceding that the same logic dictates it was stupid for Toronto to throw $11M at Tavares with Nylander, Matthews and Marner up. If it's dumb for one, it's dumb for the other.

Funny thing is, Colorado could throw $22M at Marner and Rantanen and still be in better cap shape than Toronto.
 

Steve Shutt

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I would offer sheet both Johnson and Kapanen at 4.1 mill each.

Is that possible since we have 2 seconds, or not, because only team picks count and you cant have more than 1 Habs pick per round?

The draft pick compensation is for 2020 and beyond. The 2019 Draft will already be over when offer sheets take place
 
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Yup, Kapanen and Johansson should be targets for the Oilers and a number of teams!

Why on earth would he sign an offer sheet with Colorodo? Even if they offer him more money his endorsements would dry up completely in Toronto and would make less overall. He would be moving away from the area he spent his entire life growing. Leaving all his friends and family. It makes no sense by any accord. He is probably the least logical player out of all RFAs to be targeted or to sign an offer sheet. Kapanen or Johansson make tonnes of sense and is very plausible. Marner none.
Sp who is this Johansson? The Leafs don't have a player with that name.
 

Grand Admiral Thrawn

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The draft pick compensation is for 2020 and beyond. The 2019 Draft will already be over when offer sheets take place
But say we pull some trades and end up with 3 2nd round pics in 2020. Does that mean potentially we can offer sheet 3 players for 4 million$ each because we have 3 pics in the second round to meet compensation requirements, or only the teams 2nd round pic counts towards offer sheet compensation and not the pics acquired in trades?
 

Steve Shutt

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But say we pull some trades and end up with 3 2nd round pics in 2020. Does that mean potentially we can offer sheet 3 players for 4 million$ each because we have 3 pics in the second round to meet compensation requirements, or only the teams 2nd round pic counts towards offer sheet compensation and not the pics acquired in trades?


"It is important to note that any team trying to sign a player to an applicable offer sheet must use their own draft picks for compensation, not ones that have been acquired. That rules several teams out already from signing high profile RFAs, unless they were to work to reacquire their picks before submitting the contract" (source: 2018 Offer Sheet Compensation)
 

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Marner isn't going to be offer sheeted....because that just doesn't happen. I get it everyone has spent the last 6 months getting themselves hyped up for the summer of offer sheets, prepare to be disappointed. Johnsson will most likely end up in Arbitration....Means no offer sheet happening there. That leaves Kapanen who if the Leafs can't find a reasonable contract extension for probably ends up traded by the draft. If anyone thinks the Leafs are losing these players for a 2nd round pick lol.
 

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As an Oilers fan I'd happily offersheet one of Kapanen/Johnsson/Labanc or someone like that for only a 2nd rounder.
Ya like the Oilers have cap space to knowing pay a player above market value to get in the offer sheet game
 

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But say we pull some trades and end up with 3 2nd round pics in 2020. Does that mean potentially we can offer sheet 3 players for 4 million$ each because we have 3 pics in the second round to meet compensation requirements, or only the teams 2nd round pic counts towards offer sheet compensation and not the pics acquired in trades?
It has to be your own pick

Edit whoops didn't see that it was already answered.
 
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Martin Skoula

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Lol, it has nothing to do with UFA and RFA or positions, it has to do with cap space.

You can't say Colorado would be stupid to throw $11M at Marner with Rantanen up while not conceding that the same logic dictates it was stupid for Toronto to throw $11M at Tavares with Nylander, Matthews and Marner up. If it's dumb for one, it's dumb for the other.

Funny thing is, Colorado could throw $22M at Marner and Rantanen and still be in better cap shape than Toronto.

Why would Rantanen's agent settle for less than Marner? He has more goals and points over the last two years.

It would be dumb because it would set a new floor on the Rantanen contract was the point. Tavares didn't set a new floor for Marner because they're not comparable players from a contract perspective.
 

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I would offer sheet both Johnson and Kapanen at 4.1 mill each.

Is that possible since we have 2 seconds, or not, because only team picks count and you cant have more than 1 Habs pick per round?
Cant do it. The picks need to be your own. You could do one for 4.1 and the other at 4.3. So the cost would be 2nd for one and 1st and 3rd for the other.
 

Contenderorpretender

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So Leafs offer Marner 9 to 10 mill tops and another team sends him an offer sheet for 12 mill and he should balk at that extra 2 to 3 mill because he might be homesick or lose an endorsement or two?

Really think Marner won't get an endorsement with his new team?

Come on now?!
Not as lucrative. Let's say he goes and signs an offer sheet with a baseball basketball and football team in the states. Marner is a nobody in the big picture. An offensive lineman would be more popular and known
 

The Podium

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It would be interesting for a team to OS Marner. It would take at least 11.5 + 4 1st round picks for Marner to bite/Leafs not to match. That is steep for almost any team regardless of current salary structure.

If it comes to that, I'll be happy with the picks. Sure those picks wont be Marner, but with the added cap space they will comfortably be out of their salary cap mess + have 8 1st round picks in the next 4 years to refill the cupboards. Downgrade now for long term gain.
 

mouser

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ISnt it based on the cap ceiling

Nope.

But what is the Cap ceiling? They can't possibly set RFA compensation tiers before they set the cap limits.

RFA compensation amounts are based on the average league-wide player salary for the prior season.

Average player salary and cap ceiling have a correlation but they don’t change at identical rates.
 

Legion34

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Nope.



RFA compensation amounts are based on the average league-wide player salary for the prior season.

Average player salary and cap ceiling have a correlation but they don’t change at identical rates.

Oh fair enough makes sense thanks!
 
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DRW204

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so what happens if a X team makes an offer sheet and Y player accepts. Z team has 10 days to match. Let's say Z team matches - they cannot exceed the +10% limit of the offseason cap right? Lets by matching they go over the 10% threshold. how does that work?
 

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