Offer Sheet Barzal?
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no, they never work, it's a waste of time imo.
Uncle Lou would just outsmart Bergevin if he tries to offer sheet one of his players.
Sterling Archer
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Guaranteed match. Don’t waste your time. They have the cap space and the inclination to keep him especially after losing Tavares.
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JeffreyLFC
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The only team that could be affected by an offer sheet is Tampa Bay with Sergachev.
montreal
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because the NYI GM isn't stupid, Drouin would likely quickly fall out of favor with their coach.
Deebs
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You absolutely explore it. The Habs are not attractive to free agents, might as well try to pry away a young star.
In what world does this actually make sense? If you,re trying to pry away a McDavid for 15M, for example, the team matches. If you,re trying tp pry away a player 70% of McDavid,s skill for an overpayment, even for McDavid, you,re shooting yourself in the foot because you'll never get to keep a winning team together, much less add the missing pieces to get there.
Overpayment for a RFA is sheer folly, unless it's only a slight overpayment and the owner of the team with the RFA can't match because of personal financial problems. Even then, they likely match and then trade the player, just to spite the team making the hostile offer sheet.
Not one scenario where the team making the offer sheet actually makes a good deal, IMO.
Tabarouette
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It's not a waste of time, the issue is when our GM ONLY goes after one RFA and then goes "oops it didn't work lol"
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The only value of offer sheets is for the NHLPA. They only work when decent players get offer sheeted like they were all-stars. Then, the team with the rights to the player prefers the multiple 1st rounders to grossly overpaying the player.
You're left with a good player paid like a franchise player and player agents across the league (but, more importantly, those for the other players on your team) start using this ridiculous contract as a comparable for future contracts with decent players.
It doesn't work because idiot owners at least understand how awful doing this usually ends up.
We had the year Vanek and that useless player everyone forgets the name of got paid HUGE money by EDM.
That was horrible, all around, even though the offer sheet for Vanek was matched.
EDM was the poster child for needing to use the offer sheet and it failed miserably, until they foolishly paid big cash for a lesser player just to get something done.
You're left with a good player paid like a franchise player and player agents across the league (but, more importantly, those for the other players on your team) start using this ridiculous contract as a comparable for future contracts with decent players.
It doesn't work because idiot owners at least understand how awful doing this usually ends up.
We had the year Vanek and that useless player everyone forgets the name of got paid HUGE money by EDM.
That was horrible, all around, even though the offer sheet for Vanek was matched.
EDM was the poster child for needing to use the offer sheet and it failed miserably, until they foolishly paid big cash for a lesser player just to get something done.
It ain't going to work. Bergevin should have traded both Tatar and Petry when he had the chance to grab on more picks.
He needs to package picks+prospect+player for at least two game changers, one up front and one on D.
This team has no identity, it's horribly built, a bunch of outsiders who weren't wanted by their teams anymore.
Nashville was trying to get upgrade on Weber. Edmonton unhappy with Petry. Arizona disappointed with Domi. TB sick of Drouin's attitude. Vegas flopped on Tatar. Calgary put Byron on waivers. Up until recently, Kovalchuk too who was bought out by LA.
Nobody is really bleeding ''bleu blanc rouge'' on our team with the exception of Gallagher, perhaps .
Sure they'll all say some BS cliche about our history and what it means to play here but everyone knows that's just a routine PR speech.
Skills is pretty mediocre, not particularly fast, not strong defensively, not aggressive, not physical, not creative or innovative, pretty boring offensive style, can't remember the last time I watched a game where we saw two impressive dekes happen or see anyone lay out an opponent.
This year was as dull of a hockey team I've seen in Mtl for a very long time.
Locking up Barzal to a crazy deal isn't going to change any of that. Bring in two talented guys you can really build something on because we have f*** all to do that on here.
He needs to package picks+prospect+player for at least two game changers, one up front and one on D.
This team has no identity, it's horribly built, a bunch of outsiders who weren't wanted by their teams anymore.
Nashville was trying to get upgrade on Weber. Edmonton unhappy with Petry. Arizona disappointed with Domi. TB sick of Drouin's attitude. Vegas flopped on Tatar. Calgary put Byron on waivers. Up until recently, Kovalchuk too who was bought out by LA.
Nobody is really bleeding ''bleu blanc rouge'' on our team with the exception of Gallagher, perhaps .
Sure they'll all say some BS cliche about our history and what it means to play here but everyone knows that's just a routine PR speech.
Skills is pretty mediocre, not particularly fast, not strong defensively, not aggressive, not physical, not creative or innovative, pretty boring offensive style, can't remember the last time I watched a game where we saw two impressive dekes happen or see anyone lay out an opponent.
This year was as dull of a hockey team I've seen in Mtl for a very long time.
Locking up Barzal to a crazy deal isn't going to change any of that. Bring in two talented guys you can really build something on because we have f*** all to do that on here.
Tabarouette
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that's a bold claim considering the insanely low amount of offers signed and the context of them
Barzal becomes your #1 C instantly at 22 , so yes of course you do offer sheet him hard, not some garbage offer because you think you have some insider info on the owner.
And while that email is going through the tubes of the internet, you go try some moves on other channels. Worst case scenario you end up with too many contracts or over the cap, which to me is a pretty damn good problem to have if you ended up signing Barzal + some other players to help your team
montreal
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it's not bold at all, it's just a fact that these almost never work and thus are never tried. The one we did last year imo was a favor to Rick Dudley to help them get their player signed to a reasonable contract. Guess we'll see if any get done this summer or not. As for Barzal becoming our #1 center, there's no way the NYI just let him walk, it's a pipedream nothing more.
Also you can't OS him and other players at the same time as the amount it would take to OS him if it's a legit one, would tie up all our picks that it would take to get him so we wouldn't be allowed to do another OS at the same time.
I think Tampa might register a very strong complaint if the NYI GM traded Sergachev to Montreal.
montreal
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IIRC, the only time it worked in the last 30 years is Dustin Penner ? Then it was Scott Stevens.
It almost never works.
It almost never works.
I mean.... the last time Bergevin made an offer sheet, it actually benefited the other team instead of us.
Just Linda
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I'll repost something I wrote last week:
Essentially a 22 year old number 1 centre signed for 6/7 years is worth far more than 4 of your next 5 first round picks if you pick late in the first round.
I mean think of it this way, our last 4 draft picks in that range
Poehling (25oa)
Juulsen (26oa)
Sherbak (26oa)
McCarron (25oa)
Hell yes I'd trade 4 first round picks for Barzal
Essentially a 22 year old number 1 centre signed for 6/7 years is worth far more than 4 of your next 5 first round picks if you pick late in the first round.
I mean think of it this way, our last 4 draft picks in that range
Poehling (25oa)
Juulsen (26oa)
Sherbak (26oa)
McCarron (25oa)
Hell yes I'd trade 4 first round picks for Barzal
RFAs have to sign the offer sheet, so the attractiveness problem is exactly the same.
Sure. But Barzal is less exciting to me then at least 4-5 options from last year's RFA crop. I'd pay 2 1st round picks for him - not more.
