NFL: Odell Beckham Jr. suspended for 1 game

Hunter Gathers

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do we know that the threats were actually made?

Other than pointing the bat, all we have is speculation. Sanders has said it was a bunch of stuff about ending his career on the field. Sanders has pretty much been proven right about everything that went on with this, so while it's speculation, I think his statements deserve a bit of weight.

It was clear that the thug was saying something to the Giants. We don't know the exact words, though.
 

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Uh. It's on video. The pointing of the bat is literally a threat itself and he had to be restrained after going over to Beckham.

No, what's on video is him aimlessly walking in the general vicinity of the Giants when he nonchalantly points the bat to no one discernible. What's on video is half a second of him saying something to Beckham, who storms away. "Odell, you ****ing suck as a receiver." Oh wow, look at that, a plausible explanation of something that could have been said that doesn't involve a threat.

But hey, believe what you want to believe. I prefer not to cast judgement based on hearsay.

Other than pointing the bat, all we have is speculation. Sanders has said it was a bunch of stuff about ending his career on the field. Sanders has pretty much been proven right about everything that went on with this, so while it's speculation, I think his statements deserve a bit of weight.

It was clear that the thug was saying something to the Giants. We don't know the exact words, though.

Name one.
 

Hunter Gathers

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No, what's on video is him aimlessly walking in the general vicinity of the Giants when he nonchalantly points the bat to no one discernible. What's on video is half a second of him saying something to Beckham, who storms away. "Odell, you ****ing suck as a receiver." Oh wow, look at that, a plausible explanation of something that could have been said that doesn't involve a threat.

But hey, believe what you want to believe. I prefer not to cast judgement based on hearsay.

No, what's on video is him pointing a bat at a player and then getting into an altercation with the Giants in a second video. The bat pointing is a threat. A threatening gesture is a threat. This isn't that difficult.

You want a transcript. You want more evidence than would be required for a criminal conviction. Which is laughable. And this is why I can't take you seriously. You refuse to place any blame on your squad and have this insane standard of evidence that goes above and beyond what would be required in a court of law. :laugh:

Oh, and a video isn't hearsay. But, whatever. :laugh:

Name one.

Uh. The whole bat thing? He broke it before the videos came out. Are you just not paying attention to anything in this? I really think you should temporarily stop posting about this until you've actually watched the videos of the incident and listen to what Sanders has said. He was the guy who broke the news about the bats before it all came out and has been spot on in all of this so far. He also said that it wasn't Norman with the bat but a "guy in black clothes" (the practice squad guy). So he's not even spreading misinformation.

So, yeah. You pretty clearly are either woefully ignorant of the situation or willfully ignoring things at this point. It's painfully obvious.
 

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No, what's on video is him pointing a bat at a player and then getting into an altercation with the Giants in a second video. The bat pointing is a threat. A threatening gesture is a threat. This isn't that difficult.

You want a transcript. You want more evidence than would be required for a criminal conviction. Which is laughable. And this is why I can't take you seriously. You refuse to place any blame on your squad and have this insane standard of evidence that goes above and beyond what would be required in a court of law. :laugh:

Oh, and a video isn't hearsay. But, whatever. :laugh:

No, I want a video that actually shows something, which this doesn't. You can't even tell who he's pointing at. It's amazing to me that this is what you consider proof. There's a reason this has been laughed off by just about everyone involved, except for certain Giants fans like yourself.

Uh. The whole bat thing? He broke it before the videos came out. Are you just not paying attention to anything in this? I really think you should temporarily stop posting about this until you've actually watched the videos of the incident and listen to what Sanders has said. He was the guy who broke the news about the bats before it all came out and has been spot on in all of this so far. He also said that it wasn't Norman with the bat but a "guy in black clothes" (the practice squad guy). So he's not even spreading misinformation.

So, yeah. You pretty clearly are either woefully ignorant of the situation or willfully ignoring things at this point. It's painfully obvious.

No, that would be Schefter/LaCanfora/NYDN guy. In any event, no one said anything about this until an after after the suspension was announced. The timing was so convenient.

I also like how you got so ******** earlier about me "putting words in your mouth" (which I didn't) yet you have no problem resulting to childish retorts here.
 

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huh....



What is the point to show that a Panthers squad player threatenned OBJ?

oh my god!!!!!!!!

did you know that Hines Ward has been said to have a target on his back by Suggs/other Ravens players???? (you can google it if you want,)

Regardless, OBJ/Norman chirped all day. I am fine with that, two great players going at it. What crossed the line is OBJ trying to injure Norman, when the play was over, targeting his head(WHICH THE NFL HAS TRIED TO DO WHAT FOR PAST 5+YEARS... DIMINISHED CONCUSSIONS!)

What is the point to defend that??? What is the point to say ''well ur team is not as perfect as you think they are lololol''

Did Norman try to target OBJ head like that? no. Dirty play, and should be suspendable. Just move on from that.

prolly same type of fan who would defend Avery antics over his career/liked it when he called Brodeur ''fatso'' L
 

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Is the idea here that OBJ was worried he was going to be beaten with a bat in front of a whole stadium full of people? And that's why he acted the way he did?

I mean I fully agree that the practice squad guy should be fined for even being in the vicinity of the opposing team during warmups. But there was not a reasonable threat of him being clubbed Tonya Harding style with cameras rolling and everything. The idea that he was being "threatened with a bat" is in the realm of the ridiculous.
 

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No, I want a video that actually shows something, which this doesn't. You can't even tell who he's pointing at. It's amazing to me that this is what you consider proof. There's a reason this has been laughed off by just about everyone involved, except for certain Giants fans like yourself.

Right. He magically gets into a fight with OBJ, every one interviewed said he was threatening OBJ, and yet you still somehow don't believe he was pointing at OBJ. Again, there's more than enough evidence here to show that he was going after OBJ.

You want more than would be required to convict someone in court. It's hilarious.

No, that would be Schefter/LaCanfora/NYDN guy. In any event, no one said anything about this until an after after the suspension was announced. The timing was so convenient.

I also like how you got so ******** earlier about me "putting words in your mouth" (which I didn't) yet you have no problem resulting to childish retorts here.

He was on SAS's show in the morning. The videos had yet to come out. He knew about them at the same time as the reporters did. But, once again, you completely ignore the issue.

And calling you ignorant here is not a "childish retort[]." But I digress.
 

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Pretty much what I've been saying.


Except, unsurprisingly, you and Riverboat Ron are both wrong.

No one would've given a **** about the bat had the bat stayed on your sidelines. No one would've cared in the least. The problem is that your team has a thug on it who brought the bat over to the Giants and began threatening OBJ and the team. I'm sorry, but it's blatantly obvious what happened. The video shows your thug of a player making threatening gestures and then getting into a fight with the Giants. All while holding a bat and pointing it at players on the team.

I'm astounded that you can keep on pretending that this is a misunderstanding. If you have some thug on a team who takes a bat over to another team's sidelines and issues threats, it's not a misunderstanding. It's some thug trying to intimidate.

I'm really sorry that your hokey prop isn't going to be on the field anymore, but your moronic practice squad thug is the reason why. The Panthers and only the Panthers are to blame for this bat nonsense.

If the Panthers end up going out and cutting the guy and making an example, I think it would actually send a good message. If they complain about "misunderstandings" and do nothing, it'll show that they really don't care.

Is the idea here that OBJ was worried he was going to be beaten with a bat in front of a whole stadium full of people? And that's why he acted the way he did?

I mean I fully agree that the practice squad guy should be fined for even being in the vicinity of the opposing team during warmups. But there was not a reasonable threat of him being clubbed Tonya Harding style with cameras rolling and everything. The idea that he was being "threatened with a bat" is in the realm of the ridiculous.

No, the idea is clearly that OBJ was threatened by players on the Carolina team and then responded on the field accordingly. I don't think the bat thing means anything more than that. The bat was just another part of the threat. I don't think anyone is suggesting that he thought he would be hit with a bat during the game or something. Just that it was one part of a long line of threats issued by Panthers players.

I've said enough on this. I really don't care if the suspension is rescinded since he pretty much deserves it (although the Steeler's OL spearing a Bronco was quite a bit worse without suspension as was PacMan Jones's nonsense earlier this year, but whatever). It was cheap and dirty. But the blatant homerism going on by Panthers fans with all of this (essentially pretending that their side is innocent) is just obnoxious.
 
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No, the idea is clearly that OBJ was threatened by players on the Carolina team and then responded on the field accordingly.

Sprinting 10 yards to spear someone in the head from behind is "responding accordingly" to a verbal threat?

It's a football game. Players threaten each other constantly. Who cares? The fact that it was done on the opponent's side of the field during warmups is an issue. The idea that he was "threatened with a bat" is just ridiculous if you think about it from a perspective of the likelihood that he would actually be attacked with a bat.
 

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I will say this, though -- he's apparently done a masterful job of shifting the blame for his own behavior.

Look at us here, in the OBJ suspension thread, spending 80% of our time talking about him as a victim.
 

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Right. He magically gets into a fight with OBJ, every one interviewed said he was threatening OBJ, and yet you still somehow don't believe he was pointing at OBJ. Again, there's more than enough evidence here to show that he was going after OBJ.

You want more than would be required to convict someone in court. It's hilarious.

1. You're talking about two different people and fusing events. 2. Absolutely no one has been interviewed and has said anything. Its all been filteted through the media.



He was on SAS's show in the morning. The videos had yet to come out. He knew about them at the same time as the reporters did. But, once again, you completely ignore the issue.

And calling you ignorant here is not a "childish retort[]." But I digress.

Ah first take. A bastion of credibility.

Amyway I'm done here. Clearly you have no interest in being rational about this. If something else surfaces you let me know, but until then it didn't happen.
 

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Sprinting 10 yards to spear someone in the head from behind is "responding accordingly" to a verbal threat?

It's a football game. Players threaten each other constantly. Who cares? The fact that it was done on the opponent's side of the field during warmups is an issue. The idea that he was "threatened with a bat" is just ridiculous if you think about it from a perspective of the likelihood that he would actually be attacked with a bat.

No. It was a culmination of everything. Norman continued cheap behavior throughout the game. Eventually, OBJ decided to take it into his own hands and end it. Have said this repeatedly.

When you combine the threats and then the dirty play on the field? I have no problem with OBJ going after Norman's head like that. Would be the equivalent of someone kneeing Marchment back in the day. He brought on the hit himself. Doesn't mean OBJ doesn't deserve punishment (of course he does).

I will say this, though -- he's apparently done a masterful job of shifting the blame for his own behavior.

Look at us here, in the OBJ suspension thread, spending 80% of our time talking about him as a victim.

I don't think he's done anything with all of this. He's hardly said anything about the incident (unlike Norman, who couldn't let it go) and would barely comment on it post-game.

1. You're talking about two different people and fusing events. 2. Absolutely no one has been interviewed and has said anything. Its all been filteted through the media.

Ah first take. A bastion of credibility.

Amyway I'm done here. Clearly you have no interest in being rational about this. If something else surfaces you let me know, but until then it didn't happen.

I love how the guy who can't blame his own team for thuggish actions is somehow pretending to be rational. Some legitimate deflecting and swerving there. Thanks for the laugh, at least.
 

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No. It was a culmination of everything. Norman continued cheap behavior throughout the game. Eventually, OBJ decided to take it into his own hands and end it. Have said this repeatedly.

The worst thing Norman did was toss OBJ to the ground early in the game. Then OBJ came right back and did the same thing to Norman. That was followed by a bunch of slaps to the face, at which point OBJ had pretty clearly had the greater of the physical shots between the two of them.

The leaping spear was just completely over the top and uncalled for, hence the suspension.
 

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The worst thing Norman did was toss OBJ to the ground early in the game. Then OBJ came right back and did the same thing to Norman. That was followed by a bunch of slaps to the face, at which point OBJ had pretty clearly had the greater of the physical shots between the two of them.

The leaping spear was just completely over the top and uncalled for, hence the suspension.

Uh, no. The worst thing that Norman did was quite a bit worse than some shoving. It was a knee to OBJ's head.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4JG1WUAIbz_-.mp4

The running knee is almost as bad as the spear and should result in a huge fine. Frankly, it was close to being a suspendible play in and of itself.

The crazy thing is, though, that OBJ is getting suspended but this isn't drawing a suspension:

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This is way worse than the OBJ hit. A guy nearly twice the size of another with a full speed spear to the head? And no suspension for that one? Yeesh.
 

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The worst thing Norman did was toss OBJ to the ground early in the game. Then OBJ came right back and did the same thing to Norman. That was followed by a bunch of slaps to the face, at which point OBJ had pretty clearly had the greater of the physical shots between the two of them.

The leaping spear was just completely over the top and uncalled for, hence the suspension.

exactly this... Giants fans bickering about Norman did or did not do to justify Odells actions is stupid.

He speared the guy to the helm, targeted him clearly.
 

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Cody Wallace's hit absolutely needs to result in a suspension too. Just because there was nothing leading up to it (presumably) doesn't matter. The intent to injure was there. That goes beyond football.
 

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Uh, no. The worst thing that Norman did was quite a bit worse than some shoving. It was a knee to OBJ's head.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4JG1WUAIbz_-.mp4

The running knee is almost as bad as the spear and should result in a huge fine. Frankly, it was close to being a suspendible play in and of itself.

The crazy thing is, though, that OBJ is getting suspended but this isn't drawing a suspension:

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This is way worse than the OBJ hit. A guy nearly twice the size of another with a full speed spear to the head? And no suspension for that one? Yeesh.

Call Goodell for that one or the inconsistency for their suspensions; and the play by Wallace was basically him doing cheap shot because A.Brown got hit late sort of;

and again, Wallace should be suspended, thank you for providing another incident that should of been suspended. What difference could it be? Was C.Wallace top 5 WR? no.

Was Wallace acting like a petulant child throughout the game? no..

So of course OBJ was going to be singling out, and again call Goodell for that one

Regardless, what is your point...????? He SPEARED Norman! Of course Norman was going to retaliate LOL...
 

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Cody Wallace's hit absolutely needs to result in a suspension too. Just because there was nothing leading up to it (presumably) doesn't matter. The intent to injure was there. That goes beyond football.

The point is selective policing. It's typical NFL ********. If the NFL is going to suspend one player, players committing worse acts need to be suspended.
 

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The point is selective policing. It's typical NFL ********. If the NFL is going to suspend one player, players committing worse acts need to be suspended.

so Odell should be suspended for what he did? okay.
Should Wallace be also suspended for what he did? yes.

is the NFL inconsistent for their suspensions under goodells reign? yes.


So... what was all the point of this, to cry out how Odell should not be suspended, because C.Wallace did not get suspended for the very same hit?

Cry all you want about the NFL missing the C.Wallace hit/suspension, that does not matter; Odell should be suspended.
 

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Ah, so the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" only applies to OBJ? Why am I not surprised? :laugh:

so... the fact that OBJ initiated the incident which HE RAN AT FULL SPEED AND SPEARED HIS OPPONENT WITH HIS HELMET IS LESS WORSE THAN SOMEONE KNEEING TO HIS HELMET!!!

Okay.


You seem the type of guy that likes to argue with the most simpliest, meaninglest **** that you can like. L

Odell should be suspended, TAKE THE HIT ALONE. Forget the rest!


Hows that so hard to understand%?
 

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When your team plays on the edge of the rulebook, you're gonna invite some extra scrutiny. Whether its deserved or not, that's just the way it is. (ask me how I know)

We do see a track record with the Panthers, pretty consistently, getting in scraps after the whistle and playing in an overall "unsportsmanlike" manner the last couple of seasons. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. 15 penalties for unnecessary roughness, taunting or unsportsmanlike conduct this year. Well above the league average, and Trent Dilfer addressed a lot of the ankle/knee twisting and little extracurricular things that go on after the whistle on ESPN's pregame last night.

And personally, I don't care, I would rather go back to the 80s or something when men were men and instant replay and the lawyers didn't run everything.

But in a kinder gentler NFL that sells pink fan gear, investigates everything from pre-game locker room trash talk to hazing of teammates to minor deflation of footballs, it strikes me that it would be extremely inconsistent to just dismiss allegations of "threats" real or perceived with a baseball bat, homophobic slurs, etc. whether you believe they actually happened or not.

If the Panthers have any difficulties coming out of this, it is only because their reputation precedes them and like it or not, they do have a reputation as being a team that plays a little bit dirty. Again, doesn't bother me personally, I would prefer a little more "dirtiness" in the league but you can't just ignore this stuff if you're going to prosecute every little other thing that comes down the pike.
 

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