Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Source?
Uh. It's on video. The pointing of the bat is literally a threat itself and he had to be restrained after going over to Beckham.
Source?
do we know that the threats were actually made?
Uh. It's on video. The pointing of the bat is literally a threat itself and he had to be restrained after going over to Beckham.
Other than pointing the bat, all we have is speculation. Sanders has said it was a bunch of stuff about ending his career on the field. Sanders has pretty much been proven right about everything that went on with this, so while it's speculation, I think his statements deserve a bit of weight.
It was clear that the thug was saying something to the Giants. We don't know the exact words, though.
No, what's on video is him aimlessly walking in the general vicinity of the Giants when he nonchalantly points the bat to no one discernible. What's on video is half a second of him saying something to Beckham, who storms away. "Odell, you ****ing suck as a receiver." Oh wow, look at that, a plausible explanation of something that could have been said that doesn't involve a threat.
But hey, believe what you want to believe. I prefer not to cast judgement based on hearsay.
Name one.
No, what's on video is him pointing a bat at a player and then getting into an altercation with the Giants in a second video. The bat pointing is a threat. A threatening gesture is a threat. This isn't that difficult.
You want a transcript. You want more evidence than would be required for a criminal conviction. Which is laughable. And this is why I can't take you seriously. You refuse to place any blame on your squad and have this insane standard of evidence that goes above and beyond what would be required in a court of law.
Oh, and a video isn't hearsay. But, whatever.
Uh. The whole bat thing? He broke it before the videos came out. Are you just not paying attention to anything in this? I really think you should temporarily stop posting about this until you've actually watched the videos of the incident and listen to what Sanders has said. He was the guy who broke the news about the bats before it all came out and has been spot on in all of this so far. He also said that it wasn't Norman with the bat but a "guy in black clothes" (the practice squad guy). So he's not even spreading misinformation.
So, yeah. You pretty clearly are either woefully ignorant of the situation or willfully ignoring things at this point. It's painfully obvious.
No, I want a video that actually shows something, which this doesn't. You can't even tell who he's pointing at. It's amazing to me that this is what you consider proof. There's a reason this has been laughed off by just about everyone involved, except for certain Giants fans like yourself.
No, that would be Schefter/LaCanfora/NYDN guy. In any event, no one said anything about this until an after after the suspension was announced. The timing was so convenient.
I also like how you got so ******** earlier about me "putting words in your mouth" (which I didn't) yet you have no problem resulting to childish retorts here.
Pretty much what I've been saying.
Is the idea here that OBJ was worried he was going to be beaten with a bat in front of a whole stadium full of people? And that's why he acted the way he did?
I mean I fully agree that the practice squad guy should be fined for even being in the vicinity of the opposing team during warmups. But there was not a reasonable threat of him being clubbed Tonya Harding style with cameras rolling and everything. The idea that he was being "threatened with a bat" is in the realm of the ridiculous.
No, the idea is clearly that OBJ was threatened by players on the Carolina team and then responded on the field accordingly.
Right. He magically gets into a fight with OBJ, every one interviewed said he was threatening OBJ, and yet you still somehow don't believe he was pointing at OBJ. Again, there's more than enough evidence here to show that he was going after OBJ.
You want more than would be required to convict someone in court. It's hilarious.
He was on SAS's show in the morning. The videos had yet to come out. He knew about them at the same time as the reporters did. But, once again, you completely ignore the issue.
And calling you ignorant here is not a "childish retort[]." But I digress.
Sprinting 10 yards to spear someone in the head from behind is "responding accordingly" to a verbal threat?
It's a football game. Players threaten each other constantly. Who cares? The fact that it was done on the opponent's side of the field during warmups is an issue. The idea that he was "threatened with a bat" is just ridiculous if you think about it from a perspective of the likelihood that he would actually be attacked with a bat.
I will say this, though -- he's apparently done a masterful job of shifting the blame for his own behavior.
Look at us here, in the OBJ suspension thread, spending 80% of our time talking about him as a victim.
1. You're talking about two different people and fusing events. 2. Absolutely no one has been interviewed and has said anything. Its all been filteted through the media.
Ah first take. A bastion of credibility.
Amyway I'm done here. Clearly you have no interest in being rational about this. If something else surfaces you let me know, but until then it didn't happen.
No. It was a culmination of everything. Norman continued cheap behavior throughout the game. Eventually, OBJ decided to take it into his own hands and end it. Have said this repeatedly.
The worst thing Norman did was toss OBJ to the ground early in the game. Then OBJ came right back and did the same thing to Norman. That was followed by a bunch of slaps to the face, at which point OBJ had pretty clearly had the greater of the physical shots between the two of them.
The leaping spear was just completely over the top and uncalled for, hence the suspension.
The worst thing Norman did was toss OBJ to the ground early in the game. Then OBJ came right back and did the same thing to Norman. That was followed by a bunch of slaps to the face, at which point OBJ had pretty clearly had the greater of the physical shots between the two of them.
The leaping spear was just completely over the top and uncalled for, hence the suspension.
Uh, no. The worst thing that Norman did was quite a bit worse than some shoving. It was a knee to OBJ's head.
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4JG1WUAIbz_-.mp4
The running knee is almost as bad as the spear and should result in a huge fine. Frankly, it was close to being a suspendible play in and of itself.
The crazy thing is, though, that OBJ is getting suspended but this isn't drawing a suspension:
This is way worse than the OBJ hit. A guy nearly twice the size of another with a full speed spear to the head? And no suspension for that one? Yeesh.
Cody Wallace's hit absolutely needs to result in a suspension too. Just because there was nothing leading up to it (presumably) doesn't matter. The intent to injure was there. That goes beyond football.
Regardless, what is your point...????? He SPEARED Norman! Of course Norman was going to retaliate LOL...
The point is selective policing. It's typical NFL ********. If the NFL is going to suspend one player, players committing worse acts need to be suspended.
Ah, so the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" only applies to OBJ? Why am I not surprised?