Observations XXV

[hido]

Does anyone have stats of our won/loss record in daytime games over the last three or four years? It seems like we are really bad in daytime starts.

 

[Pred303]

well, that didn't go well.

 

[Scoresberg]

Saros could've had the first and definitely the last goal but the team was completely dominated for 40 minutes and deserved the loss. Can't take 2 periods off against any team.

Fix the 3rd pair, it's not NHL level anymore and now with Fabbro starting to struggle we need to spread more minutes down there.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Saros could've had the first and definitely the last goal but the team was completely dominated for 40 minutes and deserved the loss. Can't take 2 periods off against any team.

Fix the 3rd pair, it's not NHL level anymore and now with Fabbro starting to struggle we need to spread more minutes down there.

I agree. Weber can be passable, but irwin and hammer are both flailing around. Theres got to be a 5d type we could trade for somewhere.

 

[101st_fan]

Based on an admittedly small sample size, the Preds lead the league in goals per game right now. The PP% is sitting over 23%. Beyond that, it's a struggle to find positives. Goals allowed per game and the PK% are among the worst in the league ... Saros looked shaky in his two starts and Peks gave up 5 in his last start ... Hamhuis and Irwin, um, well, yeah about them ... Forsberg, Granlund and Duchene have also been on the ice for an inordinate amount of goals per 60.

77 games for them to right this ship.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I agree. Weber can be passable, but irwin and hammer are both flailing around. Theres got to be a 5d type we could trade for somewhere.

Somebody: a prospects/Milwaukee sticky thread is probably due.

It would be good to get those who follow the Admirals to chime in as frequently as possible on the perceived readiness of any of Davies, Carrier, Allard, Santini at this point. We have to know that Irwin and Hamhuis are gone after this year at the latest. Possibly Weber too. Auditions for those jobs should start whenever possible. It would be nice if we had an internal solution and didn't have to rely on making a trade.

Aside: I see Trenin is off to a nice start in Milwaukee!

 

[adsfan]

Somebody: a prospects/Milwaukee sticky thread is probably due.

It would be good to get those who follow the Admirals to chime in as frequently as possible on the perceived readiness of any of Davies, Carrier, Allard, Santini at this point. We have to know that Irwin and Hamhuis are gone after this year at the latest. Possibly Weber too. Auditions for those jobs should start whenever possible. It would be nice if we had an internal solution and didn't have to rely on making a trade.

Aside: I see Trenin is off to a nice start in Milwaukee!

There already is an Ads / prospect thread.

There has only been one home game so far. Trenin has 4 goals and an assist in 3 games. He has been playing LW with Blackwell (C) and Schneider (RW), so that should be a high scoring line. Miko Salomaki has 3 points.

Davies has 5 minors in the three games so far this season. I am not liking that, it is too many! The team is taking too many penalties. He has played as the single Dman on the 2PP. He had one big hit.

Donovan (A) had a huge open ice hit last night in period 1 and one behind the net in period 2. He isn't on your list. He plays on the 1PP with Tolvanen at the other point. He is paired with Allard for 5-on-5.

Tinordi had the good look at the end of training camp. He would be the sixth Dman and team captain in Milwaukee. He plays with Carrier.

Carrier and Allard have been steady. They play together on the 1PK.

I haven't noticed Santini much, but 2 guys beat him on the outside last night. Laval isn't that good, so that is a concern. He also needs work on clears. He didn't get the puck over the blue line a few times last night. He is paired with Davies.

Ingram looked good in goal last night. Laval threw a lot of rubber at him due to the numerous power plays that they had.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

There already is an Ads / prospect thread.

There has only been one home game so far. Trenin has 4 goals and an assist in 3 games. He has been playing LW with Blackwell (C) and Schneider (RW), so that should be a high scoring line. Miko Salomaki has 3 points.

Davies has 5 minors in the three games so far this season. I am not liking that, it is too many! The team is taking too many penalties. He has played as the single Dman on the 2PP. He had one big hit.

Donovan (A) had a huge open ice hit last night in period 1 and one behind the net in period 2. He isn't on your list. He plays on the 1PP with Tolvanen at the other point. He is paired with Allard for 5-on-5.

Tinordi had the good look at the end of training camp. He would be the sixth Dman and team captain in Milwaukee. He plays with Carrier.

Carrier and Allard have been steady. They play together on the 1PK.

I haven't noticed Santini much, but 2 guys beat him on the outside last night. Laval isn't that good, so that is a concern. He also needs work on clears. He didn't get the puck over the blue line a few times last night. He is paired with Davies.

Ingram looked good in goal last night. Laval threw a lot of rubber at him due to the numerous power plays that they had.

Thanks for the update!

I'm having trouble finding the thread though... you made me think maybe I accidentally put it on ignore, but no, after digging through my profile page I don't have any threads listed as ignore... so I am at a loss... do other people still see an Ads/prospect thread?

 

[hockey diva]

It’s pinned and the title is In the System

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It’s pinned and the title is In the System

Argh. I can't see it for some reason. Oh well.

 

[PredsV82]

Argh. I can't see it for some reason. Oh well.

I bet you accidentally hit "ignore thread" at some point(or else you have triggrman on ignore, as he started the thread)
Regardless, the current thread is almost at 1000 posts so a new one will be created soon

 

[triggrman]

Why would anyone not want my opinion?

 

[BigFatCat999]

Does this team need more a defensive defenseman or offensive?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Does this team need more a defensive defenseman or offensive?

DEFENSIVE!!!! A big guy who can play on the 3rd pairing --- either side --- hit, be at least decent defensively, maybe even take some PK shifts... that's what the doctor orders.

Now, that said, I know we don't really draft for that player type, and it's not in our system, and teams often get damaged on the cap trying to sign that player as a UFA. So we can definitely consider compromising on the ideal.

 

[triggrman]

If he’s big he needs to be able I move like Ekholm.

I think the game is changed where all defensemen need to be more mobile.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

If we needed just big guys, I know a guy in the press box who is tall...

 

[Pred303]

what concerns me defensively is that we aren't giving up bunches of goals on odd man rushes. instead we are giving them up after cycles, failed clears, and bad rebound control in our own zone. so far it has told me that 1)our forwards are partly responsible here. 2)that our goalies are giving up too many weaker goals.

Saros gave up two weak side rebounds that became tap ins. with a third goal over his shoulder which will always be a problem for him because of his size. game before last rinne had clear looks at 3 of the goals but his angle was slightly off so they beat him inside the posts. Not saying our defensemen are doing a good job of covering, but there is plenty of blame to go around defensively. these last two game. first two games most of the goals allowed were on the 3rd pair, but these 12 goals in the past two games weren't on them. our coverage has been ok on zone entries and quick shots, but has broken down when we have been grinded down low or failed to clear the puck up high. seems once that happens we panic and blow coverage. these things can be dramatically improved.

I expect us to come out Tuesday and attempt to throttle down on breakout attempts and offense and try to play a lower scoring game. almost always happens after defensive breakdowns like we have had these last 2 games.

 

[Armourboy]

I'd be more concerned if it wasn't early. Angles and stuff are things goalies can get fixed, bad/flubbed/soft clears can be fixed.

However if it isn't nipped pretty quickly they become the norm and that's not good.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Subban was our only D who consistently battled in front of the net. Even then it was a shortcoming of our D corps overall... it's just worse now. A bigger guy is generally better at that than a smaller guy. Sure, mobility is preferred as well, so make it a big, fast, agile guy if we could get everything on our wishlist. The most important thing is just the willingness to enter the fray. After that, size and strength would help too. But historically signing 3rd pair big/physical D have turned out to be some of the worst contracts. So it's not an easy prescription to fill, that's for sure.

More ideally, you just don't spend much time trapped in your own zone anyway, so you don't get into those situations. Our 3rd pair has definitely not been good in that regard. (Not so sure our 1st has either). It might indeed be a case where you want to task your center at least with consciously playing a little deeper and engaging some of those battles to help out the D. But anyway, our D is a little lacking so far. And not for offense.

I would also suggest our 4 prospect D in Milwaukee project more as "smart, transitional" types of D in general, not physical or defensive-specialist types. So the team is indeed going to have to learn to adjust in some fashion for the lack of that element. Although... winning games 6-5 is kind of fun to watch, so maybe they don't really NEED to change anything.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Can we move Turris and a prospect for real defensive help? Has he shown well enough to have positive value? We can easily move Sissons up and bring up Trenin to play on the line with Bonino and Watson.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Can we move Turris and a prospect for real defensive help? Has he shown well enough to have positive value? We can easily move Sissons up and bring up Trenin to play on the line with Bonino and Watson.

Too early. I think the defensive zone coverage can get fixed and the goaltending mistakes will dry up a bit as our guys return to form. Despite everyone's interest in breaking it up through trades, I think we would regret losing that center depth this early in the season.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Too early. I think the defensive zone coverage can get fixed and the goaltending mistakes will dry up a bit as our guys return to form. Despite everyone's interest in breaking it up through trades, I think we would regret losing that center depth this early in the season.

I am hopeful as well, but part of me also thinks that if we haven't gotten it together by the 20-25 game mark then something has to be done. We can't continue hemorrhaging goals like this. There has to be a cheaper Hal Gill/Francis Bouillion type acquisition that can be made. Maybe Tinordi needs a chance. As it was noted above, this isn't a transition issue. This is an issue with teams cycling on the bottom line, getting panicked on break outs, and making turnovers that create chaos for coverage.

I don't know the answer, but I do think in theory it should be significantly easier to fix the 3rd pair than it would be to fix a scoring issue. I am thankful for that.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Turris played 9 mins last game. Pretty sure we would not miss that "depth", if that's how they really intend to use him. Based on this season so far, the only way we'd miss him is if Duchene or Johansen got hurt.

But that said, it doesn't really matter because nobody is going to trade for him yet, and maybe not ever if he plays a reduced role like this. So it is inevitably more of a "we're stuck with Turris" situation regardless of what we'd choose from our seats in the peanut gallery.

 

[Scoresberg]

Turris played 9 mins last game. Pretty sure we would not miss that "depth", if that's how they really intend to use him. Based on this season so far, the only way we'd miss him is if Duchene or Johansen got hurt.

But that said, it doesn't really matter because nobody is going to trade for him yet, and maybe not ever if he plays a reduced role like this. So it is inevitably more of a "we're stuck with Turris" situation regardless of what we'd choose from our seats in the peanut gallery.

That feels odd, he hasn't been that bad to start the season and I thought we'd give him a fair chance to bounce back this year.

Bad news for him, that Sissons - Bonino - Smith line looked good in the 3rd against LA, so he's probably stuck on the 4th line at least a bit longer.

Lowest TOI among forwards who have played all the games. His CF % 53,50 %, the 4th best among forwards behind the Duchene line, so he's been pretty good actually.

I'd just like to use the Bonino line with Sissons and Watson as a pure 4th line and get them all the PK time they need. Then I would glue Turris & Smith together and find them a scoring winger.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Turris has to play with RyJo and Arvy to make any semblance of a "come back" season. He would have to have a career year in G/60 to even match a normal year for him just because of the minutes he is playing.

We have a 6 million dollar 4th line center playing single digit minutes a night. You can say whatever you want about the depth or how the lines 'aren't actually the 4th line'...but the reality is just that. I am absolutely in the camp of taking the best/any offer we can get for him if that is going to be his role.