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I was noting in another thread that Vladymir Konstantinov in 1995-96 (going +60) was a "plus" or "even" in 71 of 81 games played, which is obviously really good ES results. He was a clear "plus" in 41 of his 81 games (i.e., he was "even" in a lot of them). A minus in only 10 games all year.

This made me wonder which player/season had the most "plus", and then the most "plus / even", games in one NHL season? You would guess it might be Bobby Orr in 1970-71, but I don't have the game logs. Bobby Clarke probably good results in mid-70s, too.

Mark Howe in 1985-86 (+87) is very similar to Konstantinov ten years later. Howe finished a minus only 11 times in 77 games, and the 'worst' was also only a -2, also occurring only twice. But he was a clear plus in 48 games, more than Konstantinov.

I note that Gretzky in 1984-85 (+100) was a minus in 15 games, but a clear plus in 49 (one more than Howe). I would guess that forwards in general would have more erratic results than shut-down defencemen would.

Bryan Trottier in 1981-82 (+70) was a minus only 11 times. I don't have the game-logs for his 1978-79 -- that would likely be really good.

Anyway, does anyone have this info?

EDIT: I now note that Fedorov was a minus in only 10 games in 1995-96. Same as Konstantinov.
 
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I was noting in another thread that Vladymir Konstantinov in 1995-96 (going +60) was a "plus" or "even" in 71 of 81 games played, which is obviously really good ES results. He was a clear "plus" in 41 of his 81 games (i.e., he was "even" in a lot of them). A minus in only 10 games all year.

This made me wonder which player/season had the most "plus", and then the most "plus / even", games in one NHL season? You would guess it might be Bobby Orr in 1970-71, but I don't have the game logs. Bobby Clarke probably good results in mid-70s, too.

Mark Howe in 1985-86 (+87) is very similar to Konstantinov ten years later. Howe finished a minus only 11 times in 77 games, and the 'worst' was also only a -2, also occurring only twice. But he was a clear plus in 48 games, more than Konstantinov.

I note that Gretzky in 1984-85 (+100) was a minus in 15 games, but a clear plus in 49 (one more than Howe). I would guess that forwards in general would have more erratic results than shut-down defencemen would.

Bryan Trottier in 1981-82 (+70) was a minus only 11 times. I don't have the game-logs for his 1978-79 -- that would likely be really good.

Anyway, does anyone have this info?

EDIT: I now note that Fedorov was a minus in only 10 games in 1995-96. Same as Konstantinov.

I have Trottier as a + in 49 games, but Bossy as a + in 51 games.
 

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I was noting in another thread that Vladymir Konstantinov in 1995-96 (going +60) was a "plus" or "even" in 71 of 81 games played, which is obviously really good ES results. He was a clear "plus" in 41 of his 81 games (i.e., he was "even" in a lot of them). A minus in only 10 games all year.

This made me wonder which player/season had the most "plus", and then the most "plus / even", games in one NHL season? You would guess it might be Bobby Orr in 1970-71, but I don't have the game logs. Bobby Clarke probably good results in mid-70s, too.

Mark Howe in 1985-86 (+87) is very similar to Konstantinov ten years later. Howe finished a minus only 11 times in 77 games, and the 'worst' was also only a -2, also occurring only twice. But he was a clear plus in 48 games, more than Konstantinov.

I note that Gretzky in 1984-85 (+100) was a minus in 15 games, but a clear plus in 49 (one more than Howe). I would guess that forwards in general would have more erratic results than shut-down defencemen would.

Bryan Trottier in 1981-82 (+70) was a minus only 11 times. I don't have the game-logs for his 1978-79 -- that would likely be really good.

Anyway, does anyone have this info?

EDIT: I now note that Fedorov was a minus in only 10 games in 1995-96. Same as Konstantinov.

I think it would be possible to find this data using hockey-reference’s search tool. But now that they’re charging a subscription fee, I won’t be the guy to do it.
 
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I was noting in another thread that Vladymir Konstantinov in 1995-96 (going +60) was a "plus" or "even" in 71 of 81 games played, which is obviously really good ES results. He was a clear "plus" in 41 of his 81 games (i.e., he was "even" in a lot of them). A minus in only 10 games all year.

This made me wonder which player/season had the most "plus", and then the most "plus / even", games in one NHL season? You would guess it might be Bobby Orr in 1970-71, but I don't have the game logs. Bobby Clarke probably good results in mid-70s, too.

Mark Howe in 1985-86 (+87) is very similar to Konstantinov ten years later. Howe finished a minus only 11 times in 77 games, and the 'worst' was also only a -2, also occurring only twice. But he was a clear plus in 48 games, more than Konstantinov.

I note that Gretzky in 1984-85 (+100) was a minus in 15 games, but a clear plus in 49 (one more than Howe). I would guess that forwards in general would have more erratic results than shut-down defencemen would.

Bryan Trottier in 1981-82 (+70) was a minus only 11 times. I don't have the game-logs for his 1978-79 -- that would likely be really good.

Anyway, does anyone have this info?

EDIT: I now note that Fedorov was a minus in only 10 games in 1995-96. Same as Konstantinov.


Top 10 +/- results


NameSeasonTeamGP+/-GP with a +GP with a + or EVNGP with a -
Bobby Orr1970/71Boston78+12457708
Larry Robinson1976/77Montreal77+12056689
Wayne Gretzky1984/85Edmonton80+100496515
Dallas Smith1970/71Boston73+98526211
Guy Lafleur1976/77Montreal80+8954719
Steve Shutt1976/77Montreal80+89577010
Mark Howe1985/86Philadelphia77+86486611
Brad McCrimmon1985/86Philadelphia80+86526614
Bobby Orr1973/74Boston74+84455519
Bobby Orr1971/72Boston76+83456511
Bobby Clarke1975/76Philadelphia76+8351715
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Between March 27, 1974 and March 18, 1976, Bobby Clarke was a minus player in only seven out of 151 regular season games. That's pretty impressive given the amount of ice time he had.
He was a minus player only 5 times both in 74/75 (80 GP) and 75/76 (76 GP).
 

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And Walt Tkaczuk, Kozlov, Kuznetsov... Have you really thought this through? :)

Walt has company! Daniel Tkaczuk played 19 games for the Calgary Flames in 2000-01.

Wayne had a brother who played pro hockey, Brent. He played 13 games for Tampa Bay and a bunch of games for teams in the IHL, including 178 for the Atlanta Knights.
 
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Shots...and more shots.

Four months apart in 1998/99, two teams won by four goals (4-0) after having only registered nine shots on goal.
San Jose Sharks against Dallas Stars on November 4, 1998 and Toronto at St. Louis on March 4, 1999

Philadelphia Flyers Reggie Leach is the only NHL’er that had more shots registered himself (8) than the entire opposing team in a game. That happened on February 12, 1978 vs Washington Capitals (7 shots).

22 years later, on March 26, 2000 – Carolina Hurricanes Sean Hill had as many shots (10) as the entire New York Islanders team.

Less than two months later in the playoffs (May 8, 2000), New Jersey Devils Claude Lemieux had as many shots in the game (6) as the entire Toronto Maple Leafs team. Toronto’s Sergei Berezin had 50% of the total shots for Toronto.
 

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I was noting in another thread that Vladymir Konstantinov in 1995-96 (going +60) was a "plus" or "even" in 71 of 81 games played, which is obviously really good ES results. He was a clear "plus" in 41 of his 81 games (i.e., he was "even" in a lot of them). A minus in only 10 games all year.

This made me wonder which player/season had the most "plus", and then the most "plus / even", games in one NHL season? You would guess it might be Bobby Orr in 1970-71, but I don't have the game logs. Bobby Clarke probably good results in mid-70s, too.

Mark Howe in 1985-86 (+87) is very similar to Konstantinov ten years later. Howe finished a minus only 11 times in 77 games, and the 'worst' was also only a -2, also occurring only twice. But he was a clear plus in 48 games, more than Konstantinov.

I note that Gretzky in 1984-85 (+100) was a minus in 15 games, but a clear plus in 49 (one more than Howe). I would guess that forwards in general would have more erratic results than shut-down defencemen would.

Bryan Trottier in 1981-82 (+70) was a minus only 11 times. I don't have the game-logs for his 1978-79 -- that would likely be really good.

Anyway, does anyone have this info?

EDIT: I now note that Fedorov was a minus in only 10 games in 1995-96. Same as Konstantinov.

As I mentioned in said other thread, the Russian 5 dominated the puck when they were together that season so it's not surprising to me to see Konstantinov and Fedorov with similar stats like this.

For the purposes of this thread, the +/- leaders is '95-96 is quite unique for the modern era because every member of the Russian 5 was in the top 9:

Vladimir Konstantinov +60

Sergei Fedorov +49

Viacheslav Fetisov +37


Petr Nedved +37

Vyacheslav Kozlov +33

Curtis Leschyshyn +32

Jaromir Jagr +31

Keith Carney +31

Igor Larionov +31
 

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Philadelphia Flyers Reggie Leach is the only NHL’er that had more shots registered himself (8) than the entire opposing team in a game. That happened on February 12, 1978 vs Washington Capitals (7 shots).

That’s fantastic, but I wanted to fact check this claim, knowing that Ray Bourque posted 19 out of 73 shots in Ron Tugnutt’s legendary 71 save game in March of 1991, which I believe is still a record number of shots by a player in a single game. This was however shy of the Nordiques total of 26 shots that night.
 
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That’s fantastic, but I wanted to fact check this claim, knowing that Ray Bourque posted 19 out of 73 shots in Ron Tugnutt’s legendary 71 save game in March of 1991, which I believe is still a record number of shots by a player in a single game. This was however shy of the Nordiques total of 26 shots that night.

I do believe Reggie Leach is the only one who single-handedly had more shots than the opponents in a game.
The only other instances where I found a player matching the total shots of an opponent was Sean Hill and Claude Lemieux doing it. Maybe someone can confirm these being the only times it's happened.
 

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I do believe Reggie Leach is the only one who single-handedly had more shots than the opponents in a game.
The only other instances where I found a player matching the total shots of an opponent was Sean Hill and Claude Lemieux doing it. Maybe someone can confirm these being the only times it's happened.

You might be right. Lemieux equaled Toronto’s six when the Devils eliminated them in the 2000 playoffs.
 

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Wings GM Devellano has said it was his biggest mistake to trade Oates for Federko, mistakenly thinking veteran Bernie (of the epic 1986 playoffs) would put the Wings into cup contention.

I think Coach Demers might of pushed for a Bernie. That’s probably what happened.
 

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The expression about a goalie standing on his head to win comes from Frank Calder, first president of the NHL. When announcing a rule change that goalies could now leave their feet to make a save, he said "As far as I am concerned, they can stand on their head."
 

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Thanks for that.

Palffy's page doesn't have a link, weird.

Just doing some reading up on this, guess Palffy had a short relationship with someone in Slovakia, and then spent years denying he was the father. It was only years later when Hudec started playing in the Slovak league that they even met, set up by Jozef Stumpel.

whoa, jalen rose-esque. stumpel sounds like a mensch.


I never would have guessed that Jari Kurri was the fifth-fastest player to score 1,000 pts. (or sixth if you consider that Gretzky holds the first two spots due to scoring 1,000 pts. twice). Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossy, Peter Stastny...then Kurri.

wait did gretzky really go from 1,001 to 2,000 faster than mario went from 0 to 1,000? that's more surprising than kurri, imo.


NHL.com has game logs now, for every player. One of the few things they've done right on the site.

it's too bad they don't put the data in sheets with sortable column and summing functions like hockey-ref.
 

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it's too bad they don't put the data in sheets with sortable column and summing functions like hockey-ref.

This is NHL.com we're talking about. That they have the stats at all is impressive.

On that note I've been going through it recently, and it is really poorly done. A lot of goalies are missing entire years of AHL-level stats, and it has missing data that is easily found elsewhere (like Hockeydb). Don't understand how in 2020 we still can't get all basic player stats on one site, though the pages on Wikipedia are slowly coming together there.
 

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When 18-year-old Bobby Orr signed a 2-year contract for $70,000 the average NHL salary at the time was $15,000.

With inflation his 70k in 1966 was probably like $500,000 today. Probably a bit more

basically NHL players in the mid 60's were making what would be 80-130k today
 

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Zigmund Palffy has a son, who also plays professional hockey. But his surname isn't Palffy.

Reminds me of Jiri Bubla and his son Jiri Slegr

but...yea who the hell would want a name like Bubla

Also seem to recall that there was some talk at the time that Jiri Bubla when he played for the Canucks was older than he'd claimed (he entered the NHL around 30)

Though we'd later find out he was up to much worse stuff than birth certificate alteration
 

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With inflation his 70k in 1966 was probably like $500,000 today. Probably a bit more

basically NHL players in the mid 60's were making what would be 80-130k today

I know we're way beyond this point but it's too bad that these weren't today's average salaries.

Maybe we wouldn't be paying $500 for single-game seats.

Of course all the other components involved would need to be in line as well but my speculation is that ticket prices now in comparison to then are a far higher % of income to expense.
 

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Jaromir Jagr was (likely) the last active NHL player to have played with teammates of Gordie Howe (Jagr played with Gordie Roberts who was a teammate of Howe in 79/80)
 
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